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Topic: Atheist bus adverts could lead to watchdog ruling Posted: 09-Jan-2009 at 13:52 |
on god's existence.
"There's probably no god, now stop worrying and enjoy your life." will be plastered on busses across the country (originally it was only meant for London but generous donations from members of the public have turned it national).
Technically, the slogan is an agnostic statement since it isn't definitive. Funny, if slightly pointless. Though I object to the religious fanatics who find it offensive since no one complains when they plaster their pointless AND unfunny slogans hither and thither or try to bnrainwash or emotionally blackmail you into their respective cults.
More: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/religion/4177717/Atheist-bus-adverts-could-lead-to-watchdog-ruling-on-Gods-existence.html
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Posted: 09-Jan-2009 at 14:38 |
The add is attacking the religious industry, a trillion dollar bussines worldwide... No wonder there is a reaction. The tobbaco industry also counterattacked.
Edited by pinguin - 09-Jan-2009 at 14:38
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Posted: 09-Jan-2009 at 14:58 |
This is mad - walking down a Dublin street today I saw a massive billboard sign saying something like 'repent, and ye shall be saved' or something equally ludicrous. If they can do it, so can we.
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Posted: 09-Jan-2009 at 21:04 |
true, but I think that having it completely over busses is far more provocative - religious groups in England don't do that to such an extent
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Posted: 09-Jan-2009 at 21:23 |
Notice, even the atheists say "there is probably no god"... . Maybe they are hedging their bets .
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Posted: 09-Jan-2009 at 21:31 |
This advert was in response to religious adverts on buses threatening people with going to hell for disbelief - the atheist response is a measured and pleasant one. I don't see how bus adverts threatening people with hell should not be subjected to scrutiny if these less offensive ones are.
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Posted: 10-Jan-2009 at 00:28 |
But...but...they're corrupting our youth.....
Ha, as if an advertisement can change the hearts of people. I'm certain their just as effective as the religious advertisements. Personally I think they should stop the ads by the end of the year because by then the joke (and publicity) will be over but till then laugh it up everyone.
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Posted: 10-Jan-2009 at 00:32 |
Excellent point!!
Advertisement is useless. I just wonder when companies that promote products through adds will figure it out that.
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Posted: 10-Jan-2009 at 02:13 |
That's the primary problem I see with the issue. Religious groups advertise, futilely, because they believe themselves to be right and wish to 'save' others. Atheist advertisements serve no purpose because, if there is no God, then it doesn't matter what we believe. Hence Atheist/Agnostic advertisements can only serve the purpose of antagonising religious groups as a sort of 'pay-back' for their advertisements.
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Posted: 10-Jan-2009 at 04:19 |
Originally posted by Zaitsev
That's the primary problem I see with the issue. Religious groups advertise, futilely, because they believe themselves to be right and wish to 'save' others. Atheist advertisements serve no purpose because, if there is no God, then it doesn't matter what we believe. Hence Atheist/Agnostic advertisements can only serve the purpose of antagonising religious groups as a sort of 'pay-back' for their advertisements. |
This is true. And in the process perhaps this will discourage religious groups from putting up advertisements which tell people they will burn forever unless they believe such-and-such. Which is a worthwhile objective, no one likes to be confronted with personally unpleasant messages as they board public transport.
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Posted: 10-Jan-2009 at 04:32 |
It seems silly from both sides in my opinion on the matter. The belief in one particular and the disbelief in all are both trespassing in the public sphere. Such adverts should remain private, within the individual sphere, and should not be allowed to create useless debate between two set opinions on a relative truth or untruth.
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Posted: 10-Jan-2009 at 06:02 |
viva la atheists!
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Posted: 10-Jan-2009 at 06:17 |
While most religious ads are definitely a touch intrusive, I still do have to condemn the Atheist advertisements as both immature and intentionally provocative.
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Posted: 10-Jan-2009 at 06:22 |
Advertisement is useless. I just wonder when companies that promote products through adds will figure it out that. |
Actually advertisements for products do work if a product is searching for brand recognition. However once a market is saturated it does no good to continuously advertise, I'm looking at Coke, McDonald's, CNN. But if I have a brand of Cola called Janus Cola, I'll have to get some advertisement out for people to get to know my product.
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Posted: 10-Jan-2009 at 07:55 |
Firstly I should point out that this is religious fundamentalism, from an atheist perspective. It is as has been pointed out exactly the same as the "Join Jesus" type billboards. Personally I would like to see both Christian and Atheist advertisements banned. All they do is demean the religion they are supposed to be representing. But if one is allowed the other has to be. On a related link to the above, the same type of adverts have been blocked in Australia. Not surprising, given our current & historical track record on Freedom of Speech (Suppress it! Only conservatism allowed in Australia ) http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/australiaandthepacific/australia/4159715/Atheist-bus-Sleep-in-on-Sunday-morning-adverts-banned.html
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Posted: 10-Jan-2009 at 08:33 |
I think the point of the atheist advertisements is being missed by just about everyone here. The point is not to influence people to join a certain faith (or abandon one). The point is it is a form of protest. Because for once the evangelicals are on the receiving end of their own style of propaganda.
And as a form of protest it has worked beautifully. It has created headlines around the world, and the financial donations for it have been so vast that the project has expanded far beyond its initial modest aims and are now running the advertisements for an extended period, nationwide. This should give the evangelicals some idea of just how sick and tired the general public is of their unsolicited preaching, and that they are willing to put their money where their mouth is to prove it. Indeed, it is a very civilised way of sending a message of protest to predatory evangelical groups, and the huge backing it has garnered only adds to the triumph of this protest.
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Posted: 10-Jan-2009 at 09:58 |
Isn't that sort of protest akin to 'fighting for peace' or other commonly quoted examples though?
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Posted: 10-Jan-2009 at 10:14 |
Originally posted by Zaitsev
Isn't that sort of protest akin to 'fighting for peace' or other commonly quoted examples though?
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Not that I can see. Would you care to substantiate how that perspective is true?
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Posted: 10-Jan-2009 at 10:45 |
Well its just going to make atheists look as bad as Christians, unless you get it (which 40-60% probably won't). Although I do respect the style of the protest.
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Posted: 10-Jan-2009 at 10:59 |
Originally posted by Omar al Hashim
Well its just going to make atheists look as bad as Christians, unless you get it (which 40-60% probably won't). Although I do respect the style of the protest.
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The 40-60% who don't get it will just forget about it soon enough. If they aren't in tune enough to figure out the meaning of the protest, they aren't likely to remember in a few weeks anyway. Any negative press for atheists will be minor and short lived. The targets of the protest, the evangelicals, will take note - and I dare say the more intelligent among them will understand the message (not the one on the bus, the one that made them put the ads on the bus).
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