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Are Manchuria classifield as Single Provinces

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    Posted: 09-Dec-2008 at 17:24
I have a Question ,are Manchuria classifield as a single provinces or states during Qing Dynasty and  during ROC era  or classifield as 3 provinces like today Liaoling ,Jilin and Helongjiang ?

Are Primosky Krai ,Kbabarosk Krai ,Jewish oblast in Today Russia also under classifield as Manchuria or classifield As Liaoning ,Jilin and Helongjiang provinces during Qing and ROC rea?

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Primorsky Krai, Khabarovks krai, and Jewsih Autotonomous region were out of Chinese control during ROC era.
 
I don't think the Chinese division of the inner Manchuria into 3 provinces existed before the 19th century when the Chinese migration was allowed there.
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In the Qing era Manchuria was originally governed separately from the rest of China. Later on it was divided into three provinces (Heilongjiang, Jilin/Kirin, Fengtian/Liaoning) with borders similar to the current PRC borders. This 3-province division continues until the Japanese invasion (didn't matter much anyway since the region was effectively under warlord rule from 1916 - 1931). When the Japanese created Manchukuo it was divided into five, then 19 provinces. (wiki link). During RoC era (post-1945) Manchuria was divided into 8 provinces (9 if you count Hsingan which is nowadays part of Inner Mongolia).

As for the Amur and Ussuri regions, used to be divided between Heilongjiang and Jilin.






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I wouldn't count Liaoning as Manchuria.  This province has been part of Han Chinese territory since the Warring States period (ie Yan kingdom).  This is the region also where Chinese culture flowed directly into Korea in the past.
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  Quote dick Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13-Mar-2009 at 04:24
Originally posted by Sarmat

I don't think the Chinese division of the inner Manchuria into 3 provinces existed before the 19th century when the Chinese migration was allowed there.
 
The division were not called "provinces" or the Chinese word "sheng", but the division of the northeast into 3 parts known as "jiang Jun" 将军; Sheng Jing, Jilin, and Heilong jiang, already existed, and these administrations were similar to "provinces". So no, it was not a single province.
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  Quote dick Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13-Mar-2009 at 04:26
Originally posted by feiying

I wouldn't count Liaoning as Manchuria.  This province has been part of Han Chinese territory since the Warring States period (ie Yan kingdom).  This is the region also where Chinese culture flowed directly into Korea in the past.
 
There was no such thing as Manchuria until the 19th century. During the late Ming and Qing, the territory was just called Guan Dong, or east of the pass, by late Qing it was called Dong san sheng, or the eastern three provinces, even today, China does not have the concept of "Manchuria".
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