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    Posted: 28-Feb-2014 at 21:03
By the way, can any of you support this map?

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  Quote Sidney Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01-Mar-2014 at 03:33
What map?

And where is Belisarius depicted with a Star of David? I cannot see one on the mosaic you reference.
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  Quote opuslola Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01-Mar-2014 at 10:31
Yeah He wears a star on His sleeve but not the Star of David.

My mistake. Ron
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  Quote Sidney Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02-Mar-2014 at 13:18
What about the map?
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  Quote opuslola Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02-Mar-2014 at 17:21
It seems quite contrived! It seems not to face the reality of the times, etc.

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  Quote Sidney Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03-Mar-2014 at 16:35
Sorry. I meant which map? There is no map in this thread! So where is the map that you think is contrived, and have invited comment upon?
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  Quote opuslola Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03-Mar-2014 at 19:36
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Meister_von_San_Vitale_in_Ravenna_003.jpg

Let me look for the map?\

Funny even the above connection seems to have been deleted!

I must wonder why?

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  Quote Sidney Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04-Mar-2014 at 18:45
That's a link to a mosaic!
Still haven't been shown a map! Guess its in the same place as that Star of David!?



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  Quote opuslola Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04-Mar-2014 at 20:50
Originally posted by opuslola

The story of Belisarius is a convoluted one! His victories would make him amongst the greatest generals of all times, but his end is set in controversy. Supposedly he was the last of Rome's great military leaders to receive certain awards or titles. See the Wikipeida article concerning him for more information!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belisarius

Where you can read this strange story;

"In the late summer of 533, Belisarius sailed to Africa and landed near the city of Leptis Magna. He ordered his fleet to never lose sight of the army, then marched along the coastal highway toward the Vandal capital of Carthage. He did this to prevent supplies from being cut off, and to avoid a great defeat such as occurred in the first attempt to retake northern Africa 35 years before.

Ten miles from Carthage, the forces of Gelimer (who had just executed Hilderic) and Belisarius finally met at the Battle of Ad Decimum on September 13, 533. It nearly turned into a defeat for the Byzantines. Gelimer had chosen his position well and had some success along the main road. The Byzantines, however, seemed dominant on both sides of the main road to Carthage. At the height of the battle, Gelimer became distraught upon learning of the death of his brother in battle. This gave Belisarius a chance to regroup, and he went on to win the battle and capture Carthage. A second victory at the Battle of Tricamarum in December 15 of the same year resulted in Gelimer's surrender early in 534 at Mount Papua, restoring the lost Roman provinces of north Africa to the empire. For this achievement, Belisarius was granted a Roman triumph (the last ever given) when he returned to Constantinople. According to Procopius, if he is to be believed, in the procession were paraded the spoils of the Temple of Jerusalem, which had been recovered from the Vandal capital along with Gelimer himself before he was sent into peaceful exile. Medals were stamped in his honor with the inscription Gloria Romanorum, though none seem to have come down to modern times. Belisarius was also made sole consul in 534, being one of the last individuals ever to hold this office, which was by this time merely a ceremonial relic of the ancient Roman Republic."

From the above we see the mention of a story told by Procopius, which told that the "spoils of the Temple of Jerusalem" were paraded along with Belisarius through the streets of Constantinople! It seems that some historians believed that these treasures had been seized by the Vandals during one of their attacks upon the City of Rome!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sack_of_Rome_(455)

Here is a list of the reported "Sacks of Rome", according to Wiki;

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sack_of_Rome_(846)

"Sack of Rome (387 BC) - Rome is sacked by the Gauls after the Battle of the Allia
Sack of Rome (410) - Rome is sacked by Alaric, King of the Visigoths
Sack of Rome (455) - Rome is sacked by Geiseric, King of the Vandals
Sack of Rome (546) - Rome is sacked and depopulated by Totila, King of the Ostrogoths, during the war between the Ostrogoths and the Byzantines
Sack of Rome (846) - The Arabs attack Rome and loot old St. Peter's Basilica, though the Roman City walls prevent further damage to the city itself
Sack of Rome (1084) - Rome is sacked by the Normans of Robert Guiscard
Sack of Rome (1527) - Rome is sacked by the mutinous troops of Emperor Charles V"

Strangely the only report of the taking of anything from St. Peter's, is the sack of Rome by the Arabs reportedly in 846 CE! Is that the reason that the Wikipedia authors question the veracity of Procopius? After all, Belisarius also is credited with the capture of Rome!

But, regarding the question of this strand! I would suggest that Belisarius, with the weight of real Gothic support, might well have changed history to a great degree! Instead of the Eastern Empire controling N. Africa, and a part of Spain, it might well have been the Goths and Belisarius? It would have made for a formidable opponent for Narses!

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Since I made the above post, I was reminded of another "sack of Rome" and that was via Julius Caesar after his victory, at least according to
Lucan! Circa 65 CE! Of course all we have are so called "copies" of his works!

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  Quote opuslola Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04-Mar-2014 at 20:56
Originally posted by Sidney

What about the map?


Somewhere Sidney, there exists a sort of map showing the ports of attack by Belisarius upon Italy, Sicily and N. Africa and possibly Spain?

That was what I was trying to mention.

Sorry about the problem, I seem to have problems posting upon numerous somewhat related sites!

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  Quote Sidney Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05-Mar-2014 at 17:12
Okay. So no map.
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  Quote opuslola Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07-Mar-2014 at 16:46
Sidney! It was one of the maps found on the Wiki entry concerning Belisarius and his campaigns in Italy and Africa.

Perhaps this one? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Gothic_War_-_First_Phase,_535-540.svg

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