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    Posted: 12-Sep-2008 at 20:52
Originally posted by Byzantine Emperor

No matter how one slices it, we must face it, there are a bunch of typical politicians offered up to us this election from both sides.  No one stands out as being better.  Neither party has the priorities of the American people at heart.  There is no third party that can make it.  What do we do then in the opinion of all of you political geniuses?


I agree Byz and...

she is nuts. seriously out of all the people in the USA you throw up McPain and this muppet?

...besides anything she says the liberal media will try and twist it out of context because she is a Repulican. Frankly, both parties are globalist and puppets for the elite- we need other choices. I do not like McCain at all but given Obama's radical liberal socialist agenda I am forced to vote for the other evil. Look at Obama's supporters and it could make some of us cringe. At least I can vote unlike some here or some here who choose not to take this responsibility.

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  Quote hugoestr Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12-Sep-2008 at 21:11
Eaglecap,

The conservative media, the mainstream media, are giving her an easy pass, to her and McCain. And the ultra right wing media, with Fox News, radio networks and losing newspapers funded by cults (Washington Times) keep whining and crying about how they are being persecuted and have no voice

The only radical agenda that I see is the McCain/Palin warmongering. And that is scary.

It is scary to put idiots who don't know jack in power. Did you see that video that I posted?

And I want you to to outline what exactly in the Obama platform you object to?

Maybe, just maybe, could it be that you are just be repeating talking points without actually knowing what you are talking about?

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  Quote Guests Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12-Sep-2008 at 21:36
What liberal media? Surely none of these puppet cable networks...
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  Quote pikeshot1600 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12-Sep-2008 at 21:43
I am not sure there is much "independent" media anymore.  They are all struggling for survival in the enormous competition that there is now for advertising dollars.  It seems that all the news outlets are more than ever hostage to the more closely watched advertising expenses.  It doesn't matter if it is left or right. 
 
"Be careful and wise as to what you print and say, or we may reduce the advertising revenue."  It has always been true to some degree, but now, I think it is moreso because of the competition they all have.  They have to pick their paymasters.
 
 


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  Quote Byzantine Emperor Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12-Sep-2008 at 22:19
Originally posted by pikeshot1600

I am not sure there is much "independent" media anymore.  They are all struggling for survival in the enormous competition that there is now for advertising dollars.  It seems that all the news outlets are more than ever hostage to the more closely watched advertising expenses.  It doesn't matter if it is left or right. 
 
"Be careful and wise as to what you print and say, or we may reduce the advertising revenue."  It has always been true to some degree, but now, I think it is moreso because of the competition they all have.  They have to pick their paymasters.
 
True.  And it does not help any aspirations towards objectivity when the suits at the top are in the tank for the Democrats and Obama and they hire staff and reporters according to voter registration. Wink
 
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  Quote Panther Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13-Sep-2008 at 01:37
I still don't know what too honestly make of her, without getting into a knee jerk reaction, but this seems and sounds like an interesting view from a liberal weblog:
 
 

Now even the normally level headed Greg Sargent has it:

Forget war with Russia. The real news from Charlie Gibson's interview with Sarah Palin is this stretch, where she is clearly clueless about what the Bush Doctrine is...

"In what respect, Charlie?"

This performance is the kind of thing that could have a serious impact on the race, unless everyone politely agrees to ignore it.

This is seriously nuts. Palin asked Gibson to define what HE meant by it. (NOTE: Stellaa points out that Gibson tried the same game with Obama and Media Matters ripped Gibson for it then. Guess Sargent is ok with it when it is done to a Republican.) Indeed, her eventual answer to the question is extremely sensible (unlike Bush and McCain's actual policies) and smart politics. She did not accept the premise of Gibson's question and then gave a sensible answer to the question. This type of stuff is what is killing the Left blogs right now. They look like fools when they act this way. The video is on the flip.

What does seem certain... is that noting seems certain anymore? 

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Originally posted by Byzantine Emperor

True.  And it does not help any aspirations towards objectivity when the suits at the top are in the tank for the Democrats and Obama and they hire staff and reporters according to voter registration. Wink
 


I see them very biased in favor of McCain. Otherwise, why is McCain keeps being called a "maverick" even though he voted along with Bush 89% of the time? And he is running on Bush's policies.

If the behavior of the media says anything, is that their leadership is strongly favors conservatives.
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  Quote hugoestr Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13-Sep-2008 at 02:14
Hi, Panther,

You look at t he video and you make up your mind about it. This was a highly structured interview given under very precise conditions. As the video shows, the McCain campaign has a good reason to keep Palin away from the media.

And she was still surprised by it and didn't know what to say. And even when it was spelled out to her, she couldn't come up with a straight answer.

That says a lot.
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  Quote eaglecap Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13-Sep-2008 at 03:39
Originally posted by hugoestr

Eaglecap,

The conservative media, the mainstream media, are giving her an easy pass, to her and McCain. And the ultra right wing media, with Fox News, radio networks and losing newspapers funded by cults (Washington Times) keep whining and crying about how they are being persecuted and have no voice

The only radical agenda that I see is the McCain/Palin warmongering. And that is scary.

It is scary to put idiots who don't know jack in power. Did you see that video that I posted?

And I want you to to outline what exactly in the Obama platform you object to?

Maybe, just maybe, could it be that you are just be repeating talking points without actually knowing what you are talking about?



Like I said McCain is a poor choice and not a true conservative. I respect your view but some of Obama's radical changes scare me; such as:

(Off hand)
Hate speech law- end of free speech ( we have the right to criticize but that could be turned to hate speech) I am not totally unconivinced McCain would not back this as well.
so-called fairness doctrine- McCain also might support this.
gay marriage
possible end to the 2nd Amendment
Huge tax incresses to feed the poor of the world and a so-called global- Most of ths will end up in corrupt hand and not to the hungry massses- (remember food for oil program-UN)
The stance on where life begins- that's above my pay grade- hmmmm!!!

Global warming tax- bound to break the back of many American buisnesses

With either candidate I see little hope for our country but the person I would like to see in office does not have a snow balls chance in Hell.

Obama lacks experience also and tell me what great thing has he done or said- you cannont ever compare him to one of our greatest President John Kennedy.

Please look who backs him- do some research and it might shock you people.

Edited by eaglecap - 13-Sep-2008 at 03:40
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  Quote Leonidas Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13-Sep-2008 at 05:03
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she is nuts. seriously out of all the people in the USA you throw up McPain and this muppet?

...besides anything she says the liberal media will try and twist it out of context because she is a Repulican. Frankly, both parties are globalist and puppets for the elite- we need other choices. I do not like McCain at all but given Obama's radical liberal socialist agenda I am forced to vote for the other evil. Look at Obama's supporters and it could make some of us cringe. At least I can vote unlike some here or some here who choose not to take this responsibility.


Obama is certainly no socialist, his smart though and thats maybe what you mistaking it for. Such desciptions show how right wing US political culture is to everyone else.

I posted the whole interview, show me in that video where it has been twisted? before last year she never been further than Mexico or Canada and it shows. The whole ranting, strong words but little understanding sounds like Bush. We cant afford, you cant afford more of that unilteral cowboy sh*t. Notice how it doesn't work?

The world is much more complex than how she seems to understand it. Its like hearing our own rednecks talk about global politics 'bomb the wogs' with rudimentary understanding beyond their own suburbs.

I can only say thank god your Pentagon command are more rational and push back on such ridiculous ideas as bombing Iran, they learnt their own lessons in Vietnam.



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American media on the far left??? Obama's radical socialist agenda???

I have to see the doctor in case I suffered some permanent brain damage because I read this thread. With a voter base like this, I am sure McCain and Palin will easily win this election.
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  Quote Cryptic Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13-Sep-2008 at 13:38
Originally posted by Leonidas

she is nuts. seriously out of all the people in the USA you throw up McPain and this muppet?
Yes it is bizarre.  The Republicans needed somebody to counter Obama's Rock Star appeal despite his "change to change yesterday to change tommorrrow for change" speeches. 
 
In 2012, the new Rock Stars for president will be a...
Porn star and a NASCAR driver
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Ultimate Fighting Champion and a crack head.
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  Quote gcle2003 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13-Sep-2008 at 19:33
Originally posted by eaglecap

[ I do not like McCain at all but given Obama's radical liberal socialist agenda I am forced to vote for the other evil.
What on earth is radical or socialist about Obama?
 
What you really mean is that your tribal loyalties will lead you to vote Republican as always but you don't want to have to defend McCain or Palin.
 
PS: Just on case I'm misunderstood, by 'tribal' I don't mean 'racial'.
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Originally posted by hugoestr

And I want you to to outline what exactly in the Obama platform you object to?

Maybe, just maybe, could it be that you are just be repeating talking points without actually knowing what you are talking about?


Like I said McCain is a poor choice and not a true conservative. I respect your view but some of Obama's radical changes scare me; such as:

(Off hand)
Hate speech law- end of free speech ( we have the right to criticize but that could be turned to hate speech) I am not totally unconivinced McCain would not back this as well.
Free speech is already limited in the US. In general the more money you have the more freedom you have, but most of the censorship one sees is imposed by the right, and in particular Palin is an advocate of censorship, having attempted to get books banned in Wasilla library. What books did Obama ever seek to ban?

so-called fairness doctrine- McCain also might support this.
I don't get the reference.

gay marriage
What on earth is socialist, radical or liberal about gay marriage? Ar you saying there are no conservative gays? The evidence is somewhat against you. Or are you saying that conservative gays don't want the right to marry? I jhappen to thing talking about 'gay marriage' is nutty, but there's nothing socialist of leftist or whatever about it.

possible end to the 2nd Amendment
I can see that's a radical liberal - i.e. opposite to conservative - position, but I again don't see it as socialist. Belgium has very loose controls on guns, if any, and it's had many socialist governments.

Huge tax incresses to feed the poor of the world and a so-called global- Most of ths will end up in corrupt hand and not to the hungry massses- (remember food for oil program-UN)
Now you're making up bogeymen and dreaming up monsters. Of course Obama should raise taxes, America has desperately needed higher taxes for years, but however he's too wimpish to do so, and is already promising to cut taxes for the middle classes, rather than asking the US people to make any kind of sacrifice, since that's a surefire loser.
 
America doesn't give any kind of overseas aid out of taxes. It just uses the borrowed money it finances most other things with.
The stance on where life begins- that's above my pay grade- hmmmm!!!
Legitimate issue, I agree. Though personally I don't think it should be in the political arena as a religious issue.

Global warming tax- bound to break the back of many American buisnesses
See quote above. Why is it American businesses are supposed to be so vulnerable to taxes, when the rest of the world gets happily by?

With either candidate I see little hope for our country but the person I would like to see in office does not have a snow balls chance in Hell.

Obama lacks experience also and tell me what great thing has he done or said- you cannont ever compare him to one of our greatest President John Kennedy.
I'm fighting a losing battle against people using 'compare' when they mean 'liken'. Of course you can compare Obama to Kennedy or to Harding or to Mickey Mouse. Are you suggesting McCain resembles Kennedy?

Please look who backs him- do some research and it might shock you people.
 
Statements like that are somewhat more convincing when accompanied by at least some indication of who those people are, with preferanly some rationale for suggesting them.
 
As it stands it's just meaningless, as it would be were I to say to you 'Do some research into molasses and it might shock you'. Of course it might. But why would it?
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  Quote red clay Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13-Sep-2008 at 23:50
Originally posted by Beylerbeyi

American media on the far left??? Obama's radical socialist agenda???

I have to see the doctor in case I suffered some permanent brain damage because I read this thread. With a voter base like this, I am sure McCain and Palin will easily win this election.
 
 
Bey, you might want to right this down.  I find my reaction the same as yours.  Gasp! I agree with you.  With this selection to choose from,  I just might write you in.Big%20smile  You may not do any better, but it's for sure you couldn't do any worse.  And the evening news would be a helluva lot more fun.Evil%20Smile
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Eaglecap,

What are your sources? Rush Limbaugh and Michael Savage? You do know that these people not only do they lie, but that they are not even smart enough to lie for themselves: they get their opinions from the Republican Party as talking points.

Also, it seems you, and apparently millions of Americans, don't understand how our constitution works. Because of its strong cultural significance, there is no chance that the second amendment will ever be nullified.

No president can abolish the 2nd amendment. You need 2/3 in both the senate and the house and a majority of states. Numerically, there are more red states than blue states. Ergo, there is no chance that it would ever happen. Ever.

And considering the conservative block of Democrats, not even if you had a Democratic majority would you have the 2/3 needed in the Senate or in the House to keep the change alive.

In other words, Rush and Savage are lying to you to get you to vote for McCain, whom you obviously don't like.

But they are counting that you will believe them and that they can scare you into voting for someone that you don't even find conservative enough. What gall do these people have.

Again, nothing radical will happen if Obama gets elected. The congressional Republicans will make sure that that won't happen. The GOP knows this, but they still believe that they can play Americans for fools with their non stopping lies.

Why would anyone let people lie to their face like this? I find this kind of lying very insulting. Doesn't it anger you to be treated with such contempt by the GOP?
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Either way you look at it, it doesnt matter who you vote for. We are still gona follow the same path down the road in the end =(
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Actually, voting for Obama, or if you can't bring yourself to do that, not voting for McCain may help us from stop the free fall that we have been since Bush and his pseudo conservatives took power.

McCain winning can make things worse since he is promising to use Bush's policies. And we need to send a clear message of accountability to the GOP leadership.
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Actually, voting for Obama, or if you can't bring yourself to do that, not voting for McCain may help us from stop the free fall that we have been since Bush and his pseudo conservatives took power.

McCain winning can make things worse since he is promising to use Bush's policies. And we need to send a clear message of accountability to the GOP leadership.
 
 
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