Turkish "Teke" clan?

 

The Teke arn't recorded in 22 Kashgarli Mahmud or 24 Rashid al-din records of the Oghuz clans, Abul-Ghazi writes that the Teke are descended from the Salur. The Teke may have not been recorded as being an independant clan until later however, it doesn't mean they didn't exist prior to these first records.

 

The Salur Turkmens who migrated, settled and created colonies in Turkey had eight groups, Usta, Karamanli, Yomut, Akkoyunlu/Akcakoyunlu, Sarikli, Karakoyunlu/Karacakoyunlu, Hizir and Teke.

 

There are few records of Teke prior to 500 years back, however, they had two beyliks in Anatolia, there must be an explanation for this, one theory is that during the Mongol expansion Oghuz tribes seperated some went West, others south to Afganistan and others remained in the Turkmenistan region. During this period if the Teke existed as a branch of the Salur they may have been able to gain power in Anatolia after the power vacuum caused by the collapse of the Seljuks.

 

This has nothing to do with propoganda, people in Anatolia didn't one day start calling themselves Turkmen and talking Turkish for no reason. There were many Turkmen beyliks across Anatolia.

 

Teke and Hamidoglu beyliks were Teke, Karaman Beylik was Salur, the Kadi Burhanettin beylik was founded by Salurs, this is all recorded in history.

 

The early beyliks of Anatolia.

 

The beylik era is a period of history which cannot be dismissed, ignored or called propoganda.

 

Gok_Toruk Only some minor Oghuz tribes migrated to Turkey, some 700-800 years ago.

 

Minor Oghuz tribes?

 

Cepni, Afshar, Kayi, Salur, Bayat, Kinik, Igdir, Eymur, Cavuldur etc etc are all major Oghuz Turk clans not minor, they are listed by Kashgarli Mahmud and Rashid al-din.

 

Also there were various reasons for these migrations.

 

 

http://www.deremilitari.org/resources/articles/markham.htm 

 

 

 

 

 - The collapse of the Seljuk state caused another power vacuum again filled by new-comming Turkmen tribes who this time formed beyliks and atabeks across the region.

 

The Question of the Emergence of the Ottoman State" in International Journal of Turkish Studies, vol. II, 1980, pp. 71-79

The spectacular Turkish expansion into western Anatolia can be linked in the last analysis to the Mongol invasion and rule of the Middle East in the thirteenth century. There is considerable historical evidence supporting the view that this invasion caused an exodus of both the Turcoman tribes and the settled populations from Transoxiana, Iran, and Azerbaijan into Asia Minor. In the wake of the spread of Mongol control over Asia Minor (recognition of Mongol suzerainty in 1235; the Mongol invasion of Central Anatolia under Bayju in 1243; and, finally, the establishment of direct Mongol administration after 1277) a massive population movement toward the western frontier zone of the Seljukid state of Anatolia was set under way, and this continued throughout the thirteenth century.

The important stages of this movement are known. In the 1230s the Mongols drove out a number of Turcoman tribes from Maragha and Arran and from the Mughan piains in Azerbaijan, an area that was to become the favorite winter quarters of the Mongol tribal forces in Iran. Along with the Mongol pressure, the search for good pasture lands for their herds in marginal areas and the opportunity for booty raids into neighboring Christian lands led many of the Turcoman tribes to the mountain ranges in the remote frontier (udj) zones. Pressed by the Turcoman demands for yurt (a delimited area with summer and winter quarters) and confronted by their depredations on agricultural areas, the Seljukid central government hastened to drive them out toward the frontier areas, where they formed a large Turcoman belt in the northern, southern, and western mountain ranges of Asia Minor. In 1240, however, a terrible Turcoman insurrection shook the Seljukid state to its foundations

In 1256 the Mongol general Bayju asked the Seljukid sultan, Izzeddin Kaykawus II, to assign him summer and winter quarters in Anatolia for his army tribes to settle in. This was after Hulagu Khan had ordered the evacuation of Arran and Mughan plains to make way for the Mongol imperial army. The sultan rejected Bayju's demand. The ensuing battle ended with the defeat of the Seljukid army and their evacuation of the best pasture lands in the Tokat-Amasya area, including the lush Kazova plain. This event brought a new flow of Turcoman immigrants into the western border areas. Kaykawus eventually fled to Byzantium (1261), but the Turcomans continued their support for him and his sons against the Mongols. The following thirty years were an era of struggle in Anatolia -- a struggle that brought still more immigration. The figures provided by the Arab geographer Ibn Said (d. 1274 or 1286) give at least a general idea of the relative distribution of the Turcomans on these frontiers: 200,000 tents in the Tonguzlu (or Ladik, ancient Laodicaea) region, 100,000 tents in the Kastamoni (Paphlagonia), and 30,000 tents in the Kutahya (Cotyaeum).

The next period of massive population movement in Asia Minor began in 1277 when the native Seljukid aristocracy and their Turcoman supporters allied themselves with the Mamluks of Egypt and rose up to fight a Holy War against the ''impious" domination of the Mongols. Now the aggressive spirit of jihad, resuscitated by the victor over the Mongols, Sultan Baybars of Egypt, appeared to generate within Anatolia intense enthusiasm for the battle against the Mongols, especially among the frontier Turcomans Hard pressed by the Mongol forces, the most warlike and mobile elements of the frontier Turcomans moved further west and south and directed their energies for Holy War in raids (ghaza) against the inadequately protected territories of Byzantium in western Anatolia and in Lesser Armenia in Cilicia. In order to establish direct Mongol control in Seljukid Anatolia, fresh Mongol forces, actually whole tribes, were sent to settle there after 1277, again mostly in the Amasya-Tokat region. By the end of the thirteenth century these forces amounted to five tumen's (50,000 men) and several ming's (one ming was 1,000 men).

 - The Timurid era, tribes were relocated, tribes were fleeing, migrating and those who allied with Timur filling a new power vacuum.

 

There was not a single migration after the battle of Malizgirt, this was a continuos migration and resulted in the region being called "Turchia" not be Turks but by Europeans.

 

 

According to the Ottoman tax archives "Müdevver ve Kuyud-ı Kadime", in a study conducted by Prof Dr Yusuf Halacoglu, his book will soon be published, 37,000 Oghuz Turkmen tribes were recorded, the total number of tents were 1,140000 in the 16th/17th Centuries.

 

 

 

In fact, that's why you don't observe Central Asian looking Tekes or Salurs, their culture, or their dialect in Anatolia; because if they were the majority, for sure they would have preserved their appearance, their culture and their language; but you see them all Greek/Iranian looking.

 

If you go to Turkey, visit Teke and Salur villages and towns in the Antalya, Isparta region, you'll find a well preserved regional culture and find many in the region were nomadic or semi-nomadic up to half a century ago.

 

Also if you read the history of the tribes they had many rebellions against Ottoman rule as the Ottomans tried to settle them making them more sedentary.

 

And regarding looks, what is Iranian looking? there are Persians, Arabs, Kurds, Turks etc in Iran, I've seen blonde haired Iranians and very dark skinned Iranians. People in Turkmenistan arn't all identical either, there are also blonde haired Turkmens and all different shades and colours so this argument is pointless.

 

 

Gok_Toruk So, Kazak "Kerey" and Turkmen "Kerey" are the same people? And Ozbek "Daz" and Turkmen "Daz" are of the same origin? What about Hazara tribe "Jaughur", since there exist Turkmen people who are called "Yaughur"?

 

Why do you find this suprising? these clans and tribes existed before the modern borders and terms existing today in Central Asia, there are Salur in China, Afganistan, Tukrmenistan, Turkey etc