Hearts of Iron 3

for all who didn't saw the news yet, paradox announced their new game recently and it will be due in a year. the already known new key features so far: 10.000 land provinces, customizable divisions, Victoria-stlye reserves and the return of the more complex tech tree of Hoi1. apparently diplomacy and economy also got a overhaul but no precise details known yet.

Thats great news. The only paradox games I have played are EU2 and EU3, but I have always been very interested in HOI series, was about to buy HOI2 - , but with HOI3 coming out, it will be good reason to save some money for it. Hopefully they will fix the topografy and coast line of Balitcs and also the names of provinces, in HOI2 they were horrible.

Originally posted by Temujin as for the recent EU3, i got it with all expansions but in some fields it's even a step back compared to EU2. the main issue is however, EU3 has 400 years of gameplay from Tamerlane to Napoleon and there seriously aren't so much changes to really feel a difference.

Agree. Imo the perfect EU3 split would be around 1650-1700, the end of pike&shot warfare era and also the end of wars of "religion" in Europe. Paradox should better focused on major history changing events during that timeframe like Reformation instead of stretching the game as much as possible.

Has anyone used those campaign save converters?
Like you can save your campaign from EUIII, continue in Vicky and finish with HOI2.


Edited by Roberts - 24-Aug-2008 at 19:09

oh yeah, thats another big feud i have with paradox. why is it that you can create/become Germany and Scandinavia (and rather easily so) in virtually every paradox game irregardless of time period, even though a country like scandinavia never existed and creating/"unifiying" germany was a rather difficult task that only became possible rather recently.

Originally posted by Temujin oh yeah, thats another big feud i have with paradox. why is it that you can create/become Germany and Scandinavia (and rather easily so) in virtually every paradox game irregardless of time period, even though a country like scandinavia never existed and creating/"unifiying" germany was a rather difficult task that only became possible rather recently.

They added such ahistoric possibilities to give the really good player something to shoot for in a single-player game.  Since the AI cannot stand against a really good player, a game tends to get boring after the first 100 years, when the small nation has begun to expand and defeat all rivals.  For instance, I quickly took Mecklenburg to power in EU2, annexing the northern half of Germany within 150 to 200 years.  What do you do then?  The target of becoming Germany is put out to deal with that.

Of course, I don't like to play such ahistoric games anyway.  I used AGCEEP with EU2, which is very historical and more restricting.  My brother is on an EU2 expansion development team (run by the AGCEEP modders, creating a game that will be sold through Paradox based on EU2).

It's just left out there as a what-if, in case you want to go for it.  It should be very hard to reach.


Edited by DSMyers1 - 25-Oct-2008 at 00:00

Originally posted by DSMyers1 They added such ahistoric possibilities to give the really good player something to shoot for in a single-player game.  Since the AI cannot stand against a really good player, a game tends to get boring after the first 100 years, when the small nation has begun to expand and defeat all rivals.  For instance, I quickly took Mecklenburg to power in EU2, annexing the northern half of Germany within 150 to 200 years.  What do you do then?  The target of becoming Germany is put out to deal with that. Of course, I don't like to play such ahistoric games anyway.  I used AGCEEP with EU2, which is very historical and more restricting.  My brother is on the EU2: For the Glory development team (run by the AGCEEP modders, creating a game that will be sold through Paradox based on EU2). It's just left out there as a what-if, in case you want to go for it.  It should be very hard to reach.

its not realistic, thats my issue. for a mecklenburg that you described to become Kurfürst, or even HR emperor, THAT would (technically) be realistic. or in other words, a second Prussia. at the moment, any dumbass can get emperor based on relations and it's even harder to become elector because the dumb AI already gives out the remaining two offices to any prince who has good relations (and subsequently would re-elect the present emperor as a consequence) immdediately while historically this was only achieved by two more princes based on some unlikely combination of events. i wouldn't say random but it was hard achieved indeed. becoming empeor unless being Habsburg should be even more difficult, particularly because historically there were only two non-Habsburg emperors and one of them was only elected because there was no male Habsburg heir.

in case of Brandenburg itself, it made some gains in the 30 YW which marks its beginning rise to power. the major issue for Brandenburg was to become a kingdom which was not possible as it was part of the empire. however the duchy of prussia which was part of brandenburg was outside the HRE borders so it was possible to elevate Prussia to a kingdom and this is how Prussia was born. at present it is not possible to recreate this with Eu3

yeah big time, the emperor is always some one province minor.

i have already given up on that, i mean paradox listening to the community. once a game has been released they care very little about minor (or even major) historical issues.

Originally posted by Temujin i have already given up on that, i mean paradox listening to the community. once a game has been released they care very little about minor (or even major) historical issues.

I think I would disagree with you on that.  The major issue is the complexity required in the engine to model much of what happened historically; at this point, it simply isn't possible.  Paradox listens to the community extremely well; but some things are just so difficult.  If it is a matter of historical innacuracies in the history files or events, usually you can get a fix included in a later patch or at the very least included in a major mod released by the community.  (The AGCEEP for EUII, for example).