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    Posted: 08-Aug-2008 at 15:34

Georgia: Russia has invaded and we are under attack


Vladimir Putin says the war has started

Friday, 8 August 2008

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A convoy of Russian tanks and troops is reportedly moving toward South Ossetia's capital as Russian Prime Minister Vladimir Putin declared that the war has started.

Putin's spokesman Dmitry Peskov said: "War started today in South Ossetia when Georgia attacked Russian peacekeepers in the disputed region."

Earlier an official in Georgia's National Security Council said Russia invaded Georgia.

Kakha Lamaia said: "If it's not war, then we are very close to it. The Russians have invaded Georgia and we are under attack."

Georgian President Mikhail Saakasvili told CNN: "Russia is fighting a war with us in our own territory."

"This is a clear intrusion on another country's territory. We have Russian tanks on our territory, jets on our territory in broad daylight,"

Saakashvili accused its neighbor of a "well-planned invasion" and called on reservists to sign up for duty. He said "150 Russian tanks, armoured personnel carriers and other vehicles" have entered South Ossetia.

The Georgian government said it will try to protect Russian peacekeepers who were already in the disputed region.

However Russia claims that 10 of the peacekeepers have been killed.

Reports from Georgia claim Russian jets have attacked an airport near Tblisi.

Nato, the US and the EU are calling for an immediate end to hostilities.

Georgia claims to have shot down two Russian war planes as the two countries fight for control of the breakaway province of South Ossetia.

Russian President Dmitry Medvedev has vowed to protect Russian citizens in the region.

Medvedev said: "In accordance with the constitution and the federal law, I, as president of Russia, am obliged to protect the lives and dignity of Russian citizens wherever they are located," Mr Medvedev said in televised remarks...

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Strange name of the thread since Georgia openly recongized that it started the war in violation of all the agreements with Ossetians. Nice move from the criminal Georgian regime on the first day of the Olympics.
 
Now they invent disgusting stories that "Russia has invaded." Confused
 
Georgian butchers already killed several hundred civiliand in Tshinvali and according to Ossetian reports they are finishing up wounded Ossetian civillians and peackeepers.
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Hello Sarmat

The Russians have been yelling and screaming for years about teeritorial integrity and the need to supress separtist movements and demonstrated this by its vehement opposition to Kosovo's independence, yet surprisingly all this disappears when it comes to Ossetia and Abkhazia and now these become legitimate movements and it gives them full support, and it still opposes Kosovo so could explain because I am perplexed here?

 

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Russia did not say they will support south ossetia independence.

That is consistent with their position with regards to Kosovo.


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Russian troops near S.Ossetia capital, 10 peacekeepers killed

http://en.rian.ru/russia/20080808/115903809.html

Medvedev orders humanitarian aid for South Ossetia

http://en.rian.ru/world/20080808/115904228.html
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  Quote Roberts Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 08-Aug-2008 at 16:59
Originally posted by Bankotsu

Russia did not say they will support south ossetia independence.

That is consistent with their position with regards to Kosovo.



I don't know what they have officially said regarding Abhazia and South Ossetia. But all this time they have certainly prevented them to be become fully part of Georgia state. I smell hypocrisy.
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  Quote Bankotsu Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 08-Aug-2008 at 17:02
Actually the situation with Serbia/Kosovo is different from Georgia/Abhazia/South Ossetia.
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  Quote Roberts Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 08-Aug-2008 at 17:04
You forgot to mention two important regions too, namely Chechnya and Transnistria. 
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Chechnya?

What about Nagorno-Karabakh?



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  Quote Sarmat Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 08-Aug-2008 at 17:10
Originally posted by Al Jassas

Hello Sarmat

The Russians have been yelling and screaming for years about teeritorial integrity and the need to supress separtist movements and demonstrated this by its vehement opposition to Kosovo's independence, yet surprisingly all this disappears when it comes to Ossetia and Abkhazia and now these become legitimate movements and it gives them full support, and it still opposes Kosovo so could explain because I am perplexed here?

 

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Russia always supported territorial integrity of Georgia. Numerous requests from Abkhazia and Southern Ossetia to officially recognize them were denied.
Russia didn't have any desire to recognize such separatist entities.
 
However, recent actions by Georgia created complitely different situation. Georigia just solemnly announced that it would not start hostilities, Georgia promised that all the contraidtions will be resolved in "peacfull manner." Yet it started full scale attack. Moreover, it just cold bloodedly attacked complitely destroyed a small base of the Russian peacekeepers without provocation. 10 Russian peacekeepers are confirmed dead. If Georgian regime expected Russia to be silent after such acts of aggression it made a big mistake. Now they will feel all the complications of the situations they have created. Their "blietzkruig" has already failed anyway.


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Transnistria is not a conflict region. The Moldavians are so much russified that they don't think to attact the separatists.

And that was never a Romanian/Moldavian territory up to the Soviet attribution to the former republic of Moldavia. It was just a crazy decision of Stalin who played with the pencil on the map, choping parts of Bessarabia and Bukovina and giving them to Ukraina and choping a smaller part from Ukraina to give it to Moldavia.

Moldavians are an apatic people, they will prefer to leave Transnistria to separatists.

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Not to mention Kosovo declaring independence, violating international law and UN resolutions.

Russia stepped up relations with South Ossetia after that move.


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Originally posted by Bankotsu

Chechnya?

What about Nagorno-Karabakh?


What about it? Have they started rebellion against Russia?

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Nagorno-Karabakh rebel against Russia?

It's not russian territory.
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If they respect the territorial integrity of Georgia then why in god's name they declared war on georgia?
 
And the situation isn't different between Abkhazia and ossetia and that of Kosovo, actually georgia have more legitimate claim on both nations,particularly ossetia, than Serbia's claim on Kosovo.
 
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Originally posted by Al Jassas

If they respect the territorial integrity of Georgia then why in god's name they declared war on georgia?


Cause they killed russian troops maybe?
 

And the situation isn't different between Abkhazia and ossetia and that of Kosovo, actually georgia have more legitimate claim on both nations,particularly ossetia, than Serbia's claim on Kosovo.


That is an argument that is new to me.
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Georgian army moves to retake South Ossetia

By MUSA SADULAYEV – 56 minutes ago

DZHAVA, Georgia (AP) — Georgia launched a major military offensive Friday to retake the breakaway province of South Ossetia, prompting Moscow to send tanks into the region in a furious response that threatens to engulf Georgia, a staunch U.S. ally, and Russia in all-out war.

Hundreds were reported dead in the worst outbreak of hostilities since the province won defacto independence in a war against Georgia that ended in 1992. Witnesses said the South Ossetian capital of Tskhinvali was devastated.

"I saw bodies lying on the streets, around ruined buildings, in cars," said Lyudmila Ostayeva, 50, who had fled with her family to Dzhava, a village near the border with Russia. "It's impossible to count them now. There is hardly a single building left undamaged."

The fighting broke out as much of the world's attention was focused on the start of the Olympic Games and many leaders, including Russia's Prime Minister Vladimir Putin and President Bush, were on their way to Beijing.

The timing suggests Georgian President Mikhail Saakashvili may have been counting on surprise to fulfill his longtime pledge to wrest back control of South Ossetia — a key to his hold on power.

Saakashvili agreed the timing was not coincidental, but accused Russia of being the aggressor. "Most decision makers have gone for the holidays," he said in an interview with CNN. "Brilliant moment to attack a small country."

South Ossetian separatist leader Eduard Kokoity claimed hundreds of civilians had been killed.

Ten Russian peacekeepers were killed and 30 wounded when their barracks were hit in Georgian shelling, said Russian Ground Forces spokesman Col. Igor Konashenkov. Russia has soldiers in South Ossetia as peacekeeping forces but Georgia alleges they back the separatists.

Georgia, which borders the Black Sea between Turkey and Russia, was ruled by Moscow for most of the two centuries preceding the breakup of the Soviet Union. The country has angered Russia by seeking NATO membership — a bid Moscow regards as part of a Western effort to weaken its influence in the region.

Speaking earlier on Georgian television, Saakashvili accused Russia of sending aircraft to bomb Georgian territory, which Russia denied.

Russia's Defense Ministry said it was sending reinforcements for its peacekeepers, and Russian state television and Georgian officials reported a convoy of tanks had crossed the border. The convoy was expected to reach the provincial capital, Tskhinvali, by evening, Channel One television said.

Georgian State Minister for Reintegration Temur Yakobashvili said government troops were now in full control of the city.

"We are facing Russian aggression," said Georgia's Security Council chief Kakha Lomaya. "They have sent in their troops and weapons and they are bombing our towns."

Putin has warned that the Georgian attack will draw retaliation and the Defense Ministry pledged to protect South Ossetians, most of whom have Russian citizenship.

Chairing a session of his Security Council in the Kremlin, Russian President Dmitry Medvedev also vowed that Moscow will protect Russian citizens.

"In accordance with the constitution and federal law, I, as president of Russia, am obliged to protect lives and dignity of Russian citizens wherever they are located," Medvedev said, according to Russian news reports. "We won't allow the death of our compatriots go unpunished."

An AP reporter saw tanks and other heavy weapons concentrating on the Russian side of the border with South Ossetia — supporting the Russian TV reports of an incursion. Some villagers were fleeing into Russia.

"I saw them (the Georgians) shelling my village," said Maria, who gave only her first name. She said she and other villagers spent the night in a field and then fled toward the Russian border as the fighting escalated.

Yakobashvili said Georgian forces have shot down four Russian combat planes over Georgian territory. He gave no details. Russia's Defense Ministry denied an earlier Georgia report about one Russian plane downed and has had no immediate comment on the latest claim.

Yakobashvili said that one Russian plane had dropped a bomb on the Vaziani military base near the Georgian capital, but no one was hurt.

More than 1,000 U.S. Marines and soldiers were at the base last month to teach combat skills to Georgian troops. Georgia has about 2,000 troops in Iraq, making it the third-largest contributor to coalition forces after the U.S. and Britain.

The White House on Friday urged Russia and Georgia to peacefully resolve their dispute over South Ossetia.

"We urge restraint on all sides — that violence would be curtailed and that direct dialogue could ensue in order to help resolve their differences," White House spokeswoman Dana Perino told reporters.

NATO Secretary General Jaap de Hoop Scheffer said he was seriously concerned about the fighting and that the alliance is closely following the situation.

South Ossetia officials said Georgia attacked with aircraft, armor and heavy artillery. Georgian troops fired missiles at Tskhinvali, an official said, and many buildings were on fire.

Georgia's president said Russian aircraft bombed several Georgian villages and other civilian facilities.

"A full-scale aggression has been launched against Georgia," Saakashvili said in a televised statement. He also announced a full military mobilization with reservists being called into action.

A senior Russian diplomat in charge of the South Ossetian conflict, Yuri Popov, dismissed the Georgian claims of Russian bombings as misinformation, the RIA-Novosti news agency reported.

Russia's Defense Ministry denounced the Georgian attack as a "dirty adventure." "Blood shed in South Ossetia will weigh on their conscience," the ministry said in a statement posted on its Web site.

Russia's President Dmitry Medvedev later chaired a session of his Security Council in the Kremlin, vowing that Moscow will protect Russian citizens.

"In accordance with the constitution and federal law, I, as president of Russia, am obliged to protect lives and dignity of Russian citizens wherever they are located," Medvedev said, according to Russian news reports. "We won't allow the death of our compatriots go unpunished."

Saakashvili long has pledged to restore Tbilisi's rule over South Ossetia and another breakaway province, Abkhazia. Both regions have run their own affairs without international recognition since splitting from Georgia in the early 1990s and built up ties with Moscow.

Relations between Georgia and Russia worsened notably this year as Georgia pushed to join NATO and Russia dispatched additional peacekeeper forces to Abkhazia.

The Georgian attack came just hours after Saakashvili announced a unilateral cease-fire in a television broadcast late Thursday in which he also urged South Ossetian separatist leaders to enter talks on resolving the conflict.

Georgian officials later blamed South Ossetian separatists for thwarting the cease-fire by shelling Georgian villages in the area.

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5hV2N6fVKS5slf10A13Dj_uIdaZ4QD92E6BSO0

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If they respect the territorial integrity of Georgia then why in god's name they declared war on georgia?


Cause they killed russian troops maybe?


Then What Russian troops are doing in Georgia if the Russia respects territorial integrity of Georgia?
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What will be the outcome of the Georgian-Ossetian war?


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MOSCOW. (RIA Novosti military commentator Ilya Kramnik) - The very real possibility of full-scale war between Georgia and South Ossetia raises questions about its possible outcome.

At present, the Georgian armed forces have more than 30,000 men, including 20,000 ground forces. They are equipped with more than 200 tanks, including 40 T-55s and 165 T-72s, which are currently being upgraded. Apart from tanks, the ground forces have 200 combat armored vehicles, including about 180 infantry combat vehicles and armored personnel carriers (APCs). The ground troops can receive artillery support from 120 artillery pieces of 122 mm-152 mm caliber, 40 multiple-launch rocket systems, and 180 mortars.

The Georgian Air Force is equipped with five Su-25 (Frogfoot) close support aircraft, 15 L-29 and L-39 combat training aircraft, which can be used as light assault planes, and 30 helicopters, including eight MI-24 attack helicopters.

Available estimates put the South Ossetian forces at a mere 2,500 officers and men, or 16,000, including reservists. They are armed with 15 T-55 and T-72 tanks, 24 Gvozdika and Akatsiya self-propelled artillery units, 12 D-30 towed howitzers, six multiple-launch rocket systems, four 100-mm Rapir anti-tank weapons, and more than 30 mortars. In addition, the South Ossetian army has 22 infantry combat vehicles, 24 APCs, and six combat patrol vehicles.

The infantry is equipped with small arms of Soviet or Russian make, and has several dozen Fagot and Konkurs anti-tank rocket systems. Its air force consists of four MI-8 multi-purpose transport helicopters. South Ossetia can defend itself against air attacks with four to six Osa, three Tunguska, three Shilka, and six Strela-10 air defense rocket systems. It also has 12 23-mm ZU-23/2 twin antiaircraft guns (some of which are mounted on GAZ-66 trucks), and up to 100 Igla and Strela man-portable air-defense missiles.

A forecast of the outcome of this war (as well as a potential conflict with Abkhazia) cannot be based on mathematics alone. In the mountains, even a very small unit can resist a numerically much stronger enemy. In this case, the outcome of the conflict will primarily depend on the training of forces and the influence of third parties.

The training of the Georgian army is not likely to have changed much in the last two months and, with the exception of a few units, it is not rated too high. Like the Abkhazian armed forces, South Ossetian armies are better trained and motivated. Moreover, the Abkhazian leader has already expressed readiness to support South Ossetia in a war against Georgia.

Georgia can win only if it is backed by the United States and its other allies. And even with such support, its victory will mean heavy losses, and entail lengthy guerilla warfare.


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Georgia has recently recalled its 2000 soldiers from Iraq to fight for homeland.
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