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Poll Question: Which is the biggest military blunder
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    Posted: 14-Mar-2005 at 14:47
Have at it Folks.
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For Pearl Habour, do you mean a disaster for America or Japan.  I could see how it was a disaster for both but which do you mean?
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My intention is the blunder made by Japanese forces in attcking Pearl Harbor, which inevitably led to their downfall. 
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I go for ajn jalut because the mongols were outnumbered,outmanuevered and their leader put to sword(Kitboga).They were utterly crushed.
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  Quote Guests Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15-Mar-2005 at 06:23

I thought that Pearl Harbour was a military succes for Japanese. Americans were totally humiliated. It's easy to say afterwards that it led to their downfall but the battle itself was well organised and fought. Later military disasters led to their defeat and certainly not Pearl Harbour.
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the maginot line, more proof that in the 20th century France has always been one step behind militarily.  In WW1 they attacked like it was the 19th century, in ww2 they sat ont heir butt and where convinced to fight defensively....etc
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Manzikert.

Single most important event that ultimately led to the 1st Crusade, IMO.
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On my opinion manzikert was not really a blunder,for diogenes lost because of misfortune.
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Originally posted by aknc

On my opinion manzikert was not really a blunder,for diogenes lost because of misfortune.

Indeed--having his Turkish light horse change sides right at the onset of the engagement, and having his Norman mercs leaving him high n' dry at the end was certainly a misfortune...
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stalingrad
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Originally posted by Landsknecht_Doppelsoldner

Originally posted by aknc

On my opinion manzikert was not really a blunder,for diogenes lost because of misfortune.

Indeed--having his Turkish light horse change sides right at the onset of the engagement, and having his Norman mercs leaving him high n' dry at the end was certainly a misfortune...
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The second siege of Vienna(1683)?
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Out of this list, I vote Custer.  Splitting your force, which is a no no in generalship 101, and then poor reconiasance missing the fact that the enemy force is 10 times your size, AND leaving your machine guns behind...oops.

Also, Teutebourg Forest.  Breaking formation thus losing your primae advantage and marching into an ambush...bigger oops.

Also, Pickett's Charge, running across a what was it, 200 yard field at a huge, well entrenched enemy...REALLY BIG OOPS!

Note on Mazinkert, the Byzantine Army withdrew largely intact, as I understand it.  That could be considered a draw.  The blunder was calling the West for help.
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I fail to see the importance of Ain Jalut. The votes should go hand in hand with the context of the defeat with eventual consequences.

The Mongols were as large as they'd ever get at this point, and any serious expansion was at an end. As such, Ain Jalut didn't really change anything, it was simply a defeat.

@ Manzikert, the various forces of the Byzantines might have changed sides, but Diogenes was stubborn and inexperienced in the battle, making blunder upon blunder in formation and attack.

Pearl Harbour..the Japanese were doomed either way. Even had Pearl Harbour been a spectacular victory for them, the industrial capacity of the US would have soon brought back a stronger fleet and crushed the Japanese anyways.

Therefore..I'd have to say Stalingrad. Losing hundreds of thousands to casualties and injuries, and taking up all that time while Leningrad resisted for three years and the troops were badly needed on other fronts did the Germans in.
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 The Maginot line. The French had the capability to put up at least some sort of fight, if they listened to De Gaulle about tanks. And actually built the lines to cover Belgium. And not put their worst troops on the most undeffended spots.
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French and the Maginot line and Stalingrad were hte biggest blunders i think.

Pearl harbor was not a failure....it was a success. The Failure was that the Japanese failed to ralize that the naval war was going to be won with Carriers and not with massive battleships as had been done in the past.
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Originally posted by Illuminati

French and the Maginot line and Stalingrad were hte biggest blunders i think.

Pearl harbor was not a failure....it was a success. The Failure was that the Japanese failed to ralize that the naval war was going to be won with Carriers and not with massive battleships as had been done in the past.

 

i would not say peral harbor was a sucess
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Originally posted by Illuminati

French and the Maginot line and Stalingrad were hte biggest blunders i think.

Pearl harbor was not a failure....it was a success. The Failure was that the Japanese failed to ralize that the naval war was going to be won with Carriers and not with massive battleships as had been done in the past.

 

The Japanese were in fact the first nation to realize that carriers would win naval battles not battlships, hence why pearl harbor was a purely air based attack.  It was only chance that the American carriers were on menuevers at the time of the attack and not an oversight.

The first aircraft carrier based attack in war was done by the Jpanese navy on a German cruiser in WW1
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I'd say Pearl Harbor, for the Americans... IT would be most efficent, and if they HAD won it, ... Japs would have been humiliated, with a reverse attack..
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Originally posted by Gazi

The second siege of Vienna(1683)?

No.that was a big misfortune.Waves and floods smashed the bridges so the Ottomans could not bring their great cannons.
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