Radovan Karadzic arrested!!!

I don't want to start a discussion regarding former Yougoslavia. You can throw links and pictures at me but I don't like that kind of treatment. A picture with dead people is not a proof. At least not a beyond reasonable doubt one.

And to what end?

Originally posted by Cezar Radovan Karadzic is another case of a person who stands no chance for afair trial. The fact is that no jury or judge would dare to not condemn him if the available evidence(s) presents reasonable doubt. The man has been portrayed as a monster and there is no chance to change this picture. No matter how correct would be the trial the media will turn it into a revenge process. The man is guilty before being judged. Starting with Nuremburg all trials concerning "crimes against humanity" were nothing but propaganda performances. Some may seek the satisfaction of seeing the "really bad guy" paying for his evil deeds. Some may think that sentencing a public extremist figure will quiet down the people and maybe will stop other individuals to turn into such leaders. The point is that things don't work that way. Saddam is dead and there's no peace in Iraq.

Originally posted by Sparten Originally posted by Cezar Radovan Karadzic is another case of a person who stands no chance for afair trial. The fact is that no jury or judge would dare to not condemn him if the available evidence(s) presents reasonable doubt. The man has been portrayed as a monster and there is no chance to change this picture. No matter how correct would be the trial the media will turn it into a revenge process. The man is guilty before being judged. Starting with Nuremburg all trials concerning "crimes against humanity" were nothing but propaganda performances. Some may seek the satisfaction of seeing the "really bad guy" paying for his evil deeds. Some may think that sentencing a public extremist figure will quiet down the people and maybe will stop other individuals to turn into such leaders. The point is that things don't work that way. Saddam is dead and there's no peace in Iraq.   You are right that he has been portrayed as a monster, but he is not facing a jury which could be emotionally swayed. He is facing a bench of some of the world most experience and best judges. And he must have a fair trial and he should be aquitted of whattever charges can't be proved.     It should be pointed out that he will have months perhaps years where he will be able to face his accusers and cross examine them, counter their evidence, and present some of his own.   These poor bastards had none of that.   http://lh3.ggpht.com/_A_ktJXSwnUM/Rrcg6Gl7s_I/AAAAAAAACo8/sDMWaPZBVa4/Srebenica+Cemetary+01.JPG

Stalin wasn't portrayed as a monster.

Radovan Karadzic's role is being overestimated. For instance, if he wasn't there, the very same thing would've happened, except that the person that stood in his place might've been more careful not to willingly and openly hide from the international community the atrocities that were committed by troops of his army, or he might've been worse, pushing for a seizure of Sarajevo and blatant ordering the citizens' execution.

However he's not Ratko Mladic, a bloodthirsty mongrel, a monster, with almost no emotions save for booze, ultra-nationalist hatred and absolutely no capability for military tactics & strategy. It must not be forgotten that there were two leaders of RS - these two guys. Ratko Mladic was the one in control of the forces and they were loyal to him - and not Radovan Karadzic. In public places, in front of other people, Ratko mocked his President calling him "Rado" officially and in public places, in many cases even blatantly disobaying him.

The origins of their conflict are early on, as already in the beginnings Karadzic wanted to depose Mladic, fearing his growing influence, but in the end Mladic became far too powerful and he failed to do that. In 1993 a peace plan was formed to end the Bosnian War, Serbian Orthodox Church leader Paul recommended it, Slobodan Milosevic of Federal Republic of Yugoslavia and Greek Prime Minister came and supported that plan, urging Karadzic to end the war. The plan included the return of many non-Serb territories which were cleansed. In the end solely Ratko Mladic's decision was the sole momentum that made Srbska refuse that peace plan, despire Karadzic supported it.

Now I am not trying to defend Karadzic in any ways, he shall indeed have a trial, and as Head of State, he cannot be innocent and will be convicted, understand that people, but you should not make any sort of a big thing out of this, either for Serbia, or for the victims of his evildoings. It is Ratko Mladic that today roams free, and it is he that we should've hoped they got. Out of a 100 people, only 1 is brought into a circumstance of war, or becomes a monster, and 99 potential genocidists lead perfectly normal lives until the end. Radovan Karadzic was one of the men that was caught by the waves, and he wasn't like those like Slobodan Milosevic, who indeed created and pushed a bunch of those waves.

For the past years he's (R.K.) been living a spiritual life as a guru, a bio-energy healer and alternative medicine doctor. Everyone of the persons he new described him as an incredibly kind and spiritual man. A psychiatrist talked to him yesterday and discovered that he is something close to a dual personality. Attempting to bury his dark past from the war times, he actually did not design Dragan Davic to hide - but he designed it for himself, to convince himself that he is not Radovan Karadzic - and there lies the very superbness of his disguise. However unfortunately for him, such things simply do not happen and everyone is responsible for his/her actions.

Originally posted by Seko Great news. One less psychopathic mass murderer to roam the streets.

He's 60 + years old.

-- The International Criminal Tribunal on Yugoslavia (ICTY) whose staff had been largely appointed by Madeleine Albright, then US Ambassador to the United Nations, acknowledged political considerations when they issued indictments for genocide against Bosnian Serb leaders in on July 27, only three days after their chief investigator Hubert Wieland told the Daily Telegraph that in five days of interviews with scores among the 20,000 refugees gathered at the Tuzla airport: “We have not found anyone who saw with their own eyes an atrocity taking place.” Richard Holbrooke candidly told the BBC “I realized that the War Crimes Tribunal was a very valuable tool.  We used it to keep the two most wanted war criminals in Europe out of the Dayton process and we used it to justify everything that followed.”   What followed were trial proceedings in which witnesses who received leniency if they agreed to provide testimony sought by the Hague prosecution to justify indictments made for political reasons.  Thus, Momir Nikolic a prosecution witness in the Krstic trial was induced to say he supervised a massacre in Kravica until he admitted in cross examination that he not only lied by about supervising a massacre he never there and had no idea if one had occurred.

Originally posted by Cezar And to what end? Have you read it already? You don't like it just because it doesn't "fit" the current story?

Beleive me, I have read every defence pf Karadzic that anyone has put up. Even the ones that his detratctors concede are unlikely to help him.

Originally posted by Seko Is that his real wife or mistress? He claims to have created bogus children while on the lamb too.

Mistress.

His wife and family are shocked.

The guy was in power, he had the choice to do the right thing, regardless of if Srebrenica was "sacrificed" or not. He chose not mass kill muslims and Croats in other areas before yet he chose to do just that when he captured the town. He now reaps what he saw.