Radovan Karadzic arrested!!!

This was edited so as to be able to be shown on television. Ofcourse they are not going to show the murder, but kinds of bodies seen are evidence for themselves.

Hello Carpathian

Good god man, I am screaming at a brick wall all this time. Summary executions are prohibited by every body of war laws in existance and considered a war crime and what happened is Srebrenica was a war crime regarless if these guys were guilty or not.  

Originally posted by Al Jassas Hello Carpathian Good god man, I am screaming at a brick wall all this time. Summary executions are prohibited by every body of war laws in existance and considered a war crime and what happened is Srebrenica was a war crime regarless if these guys were guilty or not.

Originally posted by Carpathian Wolf Originally posted by es_bih One of my friends lived there and has seen it firsthand also he survived being ten and any other boys about a year older were rounded off with the men. There is a documentary Ill search for it. Do not have the names on hand and either way obviously human life if not Serbian does not seem to mean the same.   Can we cut the "i was there" or "i know someone who was there" rubbish? We have high ranking bosniak generals and cabinet members stating that Srebrenica was sacrificed for media sympathy. Clinton himself said that he needed 5,000 Bosniaks to die in order to intervene. Alija himself is quoted saying "Those are not my people" refering to the people of Srebrenica. Put aside your nationalistic bias and just accept the facts, or don't I really don't care.

so your admitting that thousands did die and were sacrificed. But still its a set up soo somehow that makes it diferent.  Your attitude to the human tragedy of Srebrenica is appalling and you should be ashamed of yourself.

Originally posted by Leonidas Originally posted by Carpathian Wolf Originally posted by es_bih One of my friends lived there and has seen it firsthand also he survived being ten and any other boys about a year older were rounded off with the men. There is a documentary Ill search for it. Do not have the names on hand and either way obviously human life if not Serbian does not seem to mean the same.   Can we cut the "i was there" or "i know someone who was there" rubbish? We have high ranking bosniak generals and cabinet members stating that Srebrenica was sacrificed for media sympathy. Clinton himself said that he needed 5,000 Bosniaks to die in order to intervene. Alija himself is quoted saying "Those are not my people" refering to the people of Srebrenica. Put aside your nationalistic bias and just accept the facts, or don't I really don't care. so your admitting that thousands did die and were sacrificed. But still its a set up soo somehow that makes it diferent.  Your attitude to the human tragedy of Srebrenica is appalling and you should be ashamed of yourself.

Originally posted by es_bih So I guess his eye witness account does not count. You lnow I do have Serbs from Krajina as friends and am perfectly able to feel for them and understand their woes and what they went through as much as the Catholic and Muslim individuals that were persecuted, forced into the Serb arm and eventually kicked out off their ancestral homes. You seem to be excusing cold blooded killings. Yes I lived through all the phases of the war lived there until late 94. Defintely agree with with Leo here. asidef rom that you tend to revert to complete denial once evidence comes forth that you asked. First you claimed the holy Orthodox priests were never involved in anything. Then when you saw evidence of them blessing the soldiers before the killings ensued you try to divert the topic on to a new level of theory. Thereafter you get evidence in video but now its perfectly fine because they were of fighting age. Your disregard for human life is sickening.

Originally posted by Ako 3) That clerics of all faiths have blessed those going into battle, and that these blessings -- at least as they are intended by proper clerics -- simply constitute a prayer for the soldiers and their mission, and do not give a blanket endorsement to atrocities that these troops may commit.

In Srebrenica they did before the killings - that is not necessarily something indirect, but rather very consequential.

Aside from that no one here is denying that anyone else committed atrocities, and yes Serbs tend to take a bad wrap, but that does not excuse outright denial of rather excessive massacres, and actions undertaken that have been far more comitted by Serbs than any other group.

Originally posted by es bih In Srebrenica they did before the killings - that is not necessarily something indirect, but rather very consequential.

Aye, they did, but is this not incidental? Now I am not arguing that there were not Serbian clerics who approved of the massacres, as there were Catholic clerics who approved of the atrocities committed against Serbs, or imams who support the execution of infidels; I would hope that we would all be able to condemn all of the collaborators. I am simply arguing that blessings granted to soldiers before battle do not constitute an ecclesiastical endorsement of all of the actions these soldiers, in the throes of violent passions, may undertake. And I certainly don't seek to minimize any humanitarian catastrophes; we must all pray for the fallen on all sides.

Aside from that no one here is denying that anyone else committed atrocities, and yes Serbs tend to take a bad wrap, but that does not excuse outright denial of rather excessive massacres, and actions undertaken that have been far more comitted by Serbs than any other group.

Well, if we take a modern perspective, this is correct. Still, if we take a more historical perspective, we may understand better the actions of Serbian authorities. In Kosovo, illegal actions have been committed by all parties -- the KLA were not the martyrs they were portrayed as in our media. The Croatians, specifically, were allowed to commit horrible atrocities against the Serbians in the recent past, and that with the approval of a recently beatified Roman ecclesiastic. The Bosnians were indeed victims of Serbian aggression, but this must be understood within the context of the unilateral Western desire to partition Serbia. I do not seek to minimize the crimes of Serbian authorities -- they were horrible, and condemned by those Serbian churchmen who had the courage; I do seek to establish that they are no worse than any other groups in the region, and that they were acting within the former international standard which sought to recognize territorial integrity.

And no, there is no justification for denying massacres. The problem is that the only massacres that are even established enough -- by the modern media -- to be able to be denied are those committed by the Serbians, while the massacres committed by other parties are seldom known, and even more seldom discussed.

-Akolouthos

Holding a gun and firing it makes you a combatant. Wearing no uniform makes you excempt from the Geneva Convention's protecting. For some 3 years the Serbs and the UN had information on who the criminals were in Srebrenica. Please stop this propagandist apologetic non sense. You really are a testament of your country. On one side Saudi Arabia makes it clear they don't approve of the west, of America and that general direction. But when it comes to money, Arabia eats out of their hand. Like wise you are critical of the west, but when it favors Muslims, you are the most trusting number one supporter regardless how mindless and illegal ICTY has proven to be.