Will China ever acquire/purchase Siberia?

Originally posted by Ardashir The chienes cann't annex the Russian Siberia.Actually they are so un-developed in military industry that they once even kissed the Israel's ass for get some weapons. Now,it is only the Russians that provide the Chinese military needs.Do you guys think that the Russian are so stupid that they don't know whom they are equiping with their own weapon?!

Firstly the only people who want to annex Siberia from a Chinese POV is ironically nationalistic overseas Chinese, Deng and Mao (latter two are well and truly dead). Today's CCP is much more concentrated on economics and if anything they'd want to use techniques other than full on war to acquire back this swathe of land in their wildest dreams.

Putin and CCP general secretary Hu Jintao recently signed a treaty that recognised the current borders of Russia and China, that is to say that all border disputes have been resolved now and 99.9% of all the current map borders in any good book is what they have agreed upon. Even puny islands are now resolved with the Russians getting most of it and even 70% of the Amur/Heilongjiang river's waterway.

To remind you all, the Russians got this land from the Manchus in the mid 1800s when the Qings were virtually on their knees. Had the Qings not allowed Han immigration into what is now Dongbei today (Chinese Manchuria) then it could have easily fallen into Soviet hands as well.

Lastly whilst China is militarily weak, the Krelin and Putin have very few incentives to make immigration policies more rigid for the Chinese. The Russian Far East is piss poor and too far away from European Russia for the government to do anything about it and generally relies upon trading with East Asians to keep afloat, if not for them Russians would have evacuated this area ages and become Chinese/Korean or Japanese land by default.

The current problem now is that whilst the Chinese side is getting rich the Russian side remains poor, suffer from pollution flowing over from China and having their natural resources stripped by greedy Chinese, Japanese, Korean, American and the Russian mafia.

Lastly I doubt China currently focusing on economics would want to get back the Russian far east atm legitimately or not. Please do note that they claim these lands were surrendered by the Qing's unfairly (claims treaties did not state handing over the swathe of land as such). Also, do note that AFTER the Qing dynasty Chinese equates to any nationalities who lived within that empire's border, this Chinese DOES NOT MEAN just Han Chinese.  

Originally posted by phoenix_bladen Originally posted by battleaxe Originally posted by coolstorm The Russians gave up Alaska, and the French gave up Louisina, which would give them direct access to North America. Anything can happen. China wants Sibera back because of its access to the sea of Japan. The Russians might sell it because of the loss of control of Seberia especially its population which is increasingly dominated by the Chinese. What the hell do you mean, China wants Siberia "back"? When was Siberia ever ruled by the Chinese? Like i said before coolstorm has a lack of knowledge and tends to make up history.... China never ruled  Siberia, if you mean parts of the Russian Far east then yes China had influence over it and claimed it for themselves.  However that was lost by 1850 and 1860's to 2 treaties the treaty of aigun and the treaty of peking.

 

No, you are wrong. That was not truly China which lost that! It was Qing State that was ruling the Chinese and China. You have to be accurate! So, Qing State lost part of what is claimed to be Chinese territory, but Chinese were in fact under Qing Manchu rule. 

Originally posted by poirot It all depends on how you define the term Chinese? Does it mean purely Han ethnic or does it convey a more multiethnic meaning like Brazilian and American.

 

Are you gonna play "politics" with me? I will show the next time what is politics and what is a "definition".

Read "Sun Wen (do you know who this cheap guy is?)" and Annals of Ming State. Before then don't talk about definition! 

 

Originally posted by Chinghiz Originally posted by poirot It all depends on how you define the term Chinese? Does it mean purely Han ethnic or does it convey a more multiethnic meaning like Brazilian and American. Chinghiz, Please elaborate Are you gonna play "politics" with me? I will show the next time what is politics and what is a "definition". Read "Sun Wen (do you know who this cheap guy is?)" and Annals of Ming State. Before then don't talk about definition!

Originally posted by Chinghiz Originally posted by poirot It all depends on how you define the term Chinese? Does it mean purely Han ethnic or does it convey a more multiethnic meaning like Brazilian and American.   Are you gonna play "politics" with me? I will show the next time what is politics and what is a "definition". Read "Sun Wen (do you know who this cheap guy is?)" and Annals of Ming State. Before then don't talk about definition!

Chinghiz, I am usually a very very calm and friendly person, but you have crossed the line.  (Sidenote to the mods: Chinghiz started this!)  I simply propose a thought for everyone to chew on, and you stab me with some hideous comment and insult me with condescending remarks. 

Why do you keep referring to Chinese texts when you clearing show no understanding of Chinese history?  As a student of history and a reader of historical texts, I feel extremely insulted by your dogmatic and insensitive remarks.  

I advise that you cut off the flaming adjectives and provide more substance to your discussion.   Please avoid throwing the names of historical texts to insult other forumers, without actual knowledge that those forumers may have familiarity with them.

 

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China will buy Mongolia first... then Siberia and after this Chine will give Dalai Lama his Tibet back 

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Anyways if China buys Siberia or Mongolia there's gonna be some huge economic downfall...

China really needs more coal?  Its by far #1 in coal mining nation in the world, it doesn't need more coal.  Plus coal is no longer a feasible natural resource due to pollution.

The best way to get access to open waters in the Pacific Ocean (and not to the Sea of Japan) for China is to annex Taiwan. I think that Taiwan is by far the most important asset that China could incorporate, with the advantage that it is recognized as part of China by all other nations so it's technically an internal affair and not any imperialist agression.

I also don't think that Russia is likely to abandon Siberia easily. Much more likely would be some kind of Russia-China trade agreement, though in the long run, who knows?

I fully agree in your comments on Russia, yet, I don't think that another partition of that country is likely. Russia may have been displaced to a secondary role, specially because its own internal weaknesses, but won't give away such a rich and strategic part of its territory. The war of Chechnya is there to prove it. Besides Siberia is still majoritarily Russian ethnically.

The Russian Far East is called Russian Far East.