Scientific Evidence Sexuality is Pre-determined

Originally posted by Dynbertawe Originally posted by Władysław Warnencz   BTW. In one hour there will be a gay pride parade here in Sofia,and in half an hour there is a gathering of all,who want to stop this (christians,nazis,skinheads,nationalists,patriots and so on...).I go shave myself and than to beat some gays.   Have I been justified now in saying that there is hypocrisy within the church? By stating that Christians/Nazis and Skinheads are in togther, you have now confirmed it!!

Originally posted by Władysław Warnencz Originally posted by Dynbertawe Originally posted by Władysław Warnencz   BTW. In one hour there will be a gay pride parade here in Sofia,and in half an hour there is a gathering of all,who want to stop this (christians,nazis,skinheads,nationalists,patriots and so on...).I go shave myself and than to beat some gays.   Have I been justified now in saying that there is hypocrisy within the church? By stating that Christians/Nazis and Skinheads are in togther, you have now confirmed it!!   I don't like both nazis and skinheads,but what should i do when they also come to stop the gay parade?Fight both them,the police and the gays?I'm not superman you know....

Originally posted by Władysław Warnencz Originally posted by Dynbertawe There is hypocrisy everywhere in the Christian church!!   Are you aware that there were originally over 100 gospels? These have been narrowed down by so called expert theologians to include the parts that they wished to be included into the NT. The Bible isn't written by God, it is written by man, therefore it is fundamentally flawed.   You don't see it as hypocrisy because like all the others you have been brainwashed into believing that it is wrong according to man's and not Jesus`Christian doctrine.   We will all be judged, it is not for man to judge how people consent to their sexual preferences. It is lawful for consenting adults to practice same gender sex, no harm is being done to either party. But it is unlawful for anyone to practice necrophilia and paedophilia - the differences are obvious.   I am not saying it should be illegal to have gay sex.You can't prevent someone form having sex with someone,who wants it too.I am against the idiotic Gay Pride Parades,which are a demostration of sickness and perversion.Let them do what they wish at home,wbut why should they walk half naked on the streets,touching and kissing each other?Tell me honestly - doesn't that make you sick :       Do you consider that normal?

I'm just back two days ago from the biggest Gay Pride parade in the world in San Francisco, and if you think that the picture posted is strange, you haven't seen nothing buddy.

In our psychology lectures, the theory that is sometimes (but not exclusively) bandied about is that homesexuality is a form of brain dysfunction, as it goes against our innate desire to reproduce and pass our genes onto the next generation. Also some brain regions react and are sized differently in gay and straight individuals. Basically, it could be viewed (as I view it) that homesexuality is indeed as natural as heterosexuality and should be treated as a given in any open society. To reject its existence or authenticity is a bit naive, methinks.

Saying that though, some of the aspects of gay culture I came across last weekend in San Fran were slightly disconcerting to say the least, In the Castro area of the city there is a pervasive promiscuity that seems disproportionate to most of wider gay society, and the element of seedyness was very hard to ignore. That said, I know that the aspect of gay life I saw (which included a hell of a lot of nudity and drug taking on the streets) is always going to be the extreme of what most people, gay or straight, would find acceptable.

Originally posted by Władysław Warnencz Originally posted by Dynbertawe Originally posted by Władysław Warnencz Originally posted by Dynbertawe There is hypocrisy everywhere in the Christian church!!   Are you aware that there were originally over 100 gospels? These have been narrowed down by so called expert theologians to include the parts that they wished to be included into the NT. The Bible isn't written by God, it is written by man, therefore it is fundamentally flawed.   You don't see it as hypocrisy because like all the others you have been brainwashed into believing that it is wrong according to man's and not Jesus`Christian doctrine.   We will all be judged, it is not for man to judge how people consent to their sexual preferences. It is lawful for consenting adults to practice same gender sex, no harm is being done to either party. But it is unlawful for anyone to practice necrophilia and paedophilia - the differences are obvious.   I am not saying it should be illegal to have gay sex.You can't prevent someone form having sex with someone,who wants it too.I am against the idiotic Gay Pride Parades,which are a demostration of sickness and perversion.Let them do what they wish at home,wbut why should they walk half naked on the streets,touching and kissing each other?Tell me honestly - doesn't that make you sick :       Do you consider that normal?   No, it doesn't make me sick, is it down to us to judge? If we can see straight people doing it, what gives us the right to discriminate?   The photo of the drag queen is really funny, I can't think of many things that could cheer me up more!   That's what i'm talking about - exept for homosexuality another sickness is the so-called modern "tolerance".These people are perverted creatures,which deserve to be send in jail for their propaganda.People like you deserve a good shrink...

Originally posted by Leonidas Originally posted by Dolphin Saying that though, some of the aspects of gay culture I came across last weekend in San Fran were slightly disconcerting to say the least, In the Castro area of the city there is a pervasive promiscuity that seems disproportionate to most of wider gay society, and the element of seedyness was very hard to ignore. That said, I know that the aspect of gay life I saw (which included a hell of a lot of nudity and drug taking on the streets) is always going to be the extreme of what most people, gay or straight, would find acceptable. as some one that once partied with gay colleges and at places where gays went (and they can party) I can attest to this myself. My theory, its partly because there is no, hard to get, please chase,'i am not that type',' i dont know you'  female involved. Judging from how up for it many (testeroned up) guys are, when out on the town, take out the females and add some drugs into the equation - its mayhem.

Edited by Constantine XI - 03-Jul-2008 at 00:59

I was hurried when I sayed that. I think you can reach a pleasantful state, eminating those urges that are stressful. You too can extinct completely your sexual instinct by some psychological methods but this is not to wish. The idea is the sexual instinct is not something predetermined, it appears ONLY in the age of puberty and can be erased too.

Edited by Dynbertawe - 07-Jul-2008 at 10:10

Originally posted by Leonidas ^ yep gays Ive met knew all along they were different. Seriously its in their code, up bringing - environment has nothing to do with it , except maybe on how they handle it. You too can extinct completely your sexual instinct by some psychological methods but this is not to wish. The idea is the sexual instinct is not something predetermined, it appears ONLY in the age of puberty and can be erased too. We have discussed this before in this forum, same-sex behavior exist in the animal world so it not invented. Sexual instinct is innate and only comes out in full force during puberty. I liked girls and kissing them and had big crush's long before puberty.

Originally posted by calvo One of the greatest popular myths nowadays is that more gay people are coming out of the closet because it's "in the fashion" or because "society encourages homosexuality".   Most of the gay people I've known claim that they have been so all their lives. Whether it's genetic is something unsure, but as far as they remember they've always been that way.   Sexuality is certainly determined before puberty. I remember jacking off to images of naked women when I was 9 years old, and some girls in my class gave me a "hot feeling" yet back then I didn't even understand what sex was. The same thing would apply to homosexuals, I imagine, but with members of the same sex.   One of the gay people I know came out of the closet at the age of 40. He was married before for 15 years with 2 children. Nevertheless, he said that deep in his mind he had known his sexual tendencies ever since he was a child (naked, muscular men "turned him on"); yet he tried to fool himself that he liked women and had a series of relationships with women. Only when homosexuality became more accepted in society did he dare come out of the closet; but he said: "no, I didn't turn gay at 40, I've always been gay."   All what gay rights is doing is making society admit to a reality that was previously not-accepted, rather than campaigning to promote "homosexuality".

Originally posted by Menumorut Originally posted by Dynbertawe I don't understand, are you trying to say that sexuality definition only occurs during puberty? In that case how would you account for pre-pubescent boys that are effeminate and girls that are masculine? These kids tend to turn out gay when they reach puberty but they show signs of their orientation way before this. Think about it. As you say, their sexual conscience appears at puberty. Before that they have been influenced to be effeminate (boys) or masculine (girls) by some factors in their life, due to entourage, family etc.