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    Posted: 04-May-2008 at 17:08
I never heard Belgium threatening to invade Luxembourg just because they have a common name. So what is all the fuss about? 3 years since I first landed in this forum and yet till now I did not find a single logical explaination for the greek anger.
 
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Perhaps you don't want to.


What else do you want?

a)Monopolizing ancient Macedonia's history with which have no connection
b)Making claims that Greeks genocided 'Macedonians' in the Balkan waars
c)Printing maps of "Greater Macedonia" and speaking of Greek Macedonia as occupied territory.
d)Telling 2 million Greeks to stfu cause the Macedonians are the people of FYROM and their minorities in Greece and Bulgaria.


If those reasons are not enough to persuade you....what can I say
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Originally posted by Vorian

Originally posted by Sparten

Call them Philip's pals, Alexander's Androids, jokers, French, Macedonians. Call them whatever you want or desire. But whats a fight over a name.


Since you have participated in other threads you know it's not only about a name.

And besides, it's easy to find a dispute laughable when you don't have the slightest connection with it, do you know how ridiculous for example is the Pakistan-India conflict sounds to a Greek or Skopjan (if he has ever bothered with it)??

From my point of view you people fight over mountains that worth nothing. From your point, we fight for a stupid name. It's all about where you stand.


 
India Pakistan have many more dispute than "mountains". As I am sure that you and FYR Macedonia have other issues. But a dispute over a name will always strike people (outsiders) as the height of immaturity.
 
 
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  Quote Guests Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04-May-2008 at 18:09
Originally posted by akritas

Originally posted by Sparten

Careful before you accuse people of being racist akritas.
Why ?
....are you also adopted his "ideas" ?
 ...that most of  Greece has a Slavic admixture since the 6-7th cts ?
how you call someone that put blood and dna with the ethnicity, at least within a race ?
 
 
I have no opinion on this subject. And I doubt I ever will have one. But, if I see you calling someone racist or ignoring moderator instructions again, then I shall unfortunatly be compelled to issue an official warning.
 
 
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  Quote Guests Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04-May-2008 at 20:44
Originally posted by akritas

Originally posted by es_bih

  Considering that most of Greece has a Slavic admixture since the 6-7th cts. 


This is a nationalist and racist quote.
How do you know that most of the Greece has  Slavic mixture ?

Historical  and archaeological evidence collapse your racist quote. Genetic and anthropological analysies also.

 

 


Warren Treadgold. History of Byzantium.
great scholar and a neutral source.

Those areas were under various different Slavic groups' control until the late 8 th ct. Admixture is something that certainly happened.

And Slavs were there, and stayed. what happened is that a lot of other groups were moved by various emperors to supplicate loyalist citixzens.

The Byzantines were not keen on greeknes. but on loyalty to the roman crown.
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Originally posted by Sparten

Originally posted by akritas

Originally posted by Sparten

Careful before you accuse people of being racist akritas.
Why ?
....are you also adopted his "ideas" ?
 ...that most of  Greece has a Slavic admixture since the 6-7th cts ?
how you call someone that put blood and dna with the ethnicity, at least within a race ?
 
 
I have no opinion on this subject. And I doubt I ever will have one. But, if I see you calling someone racist or ignoring moderator instructions again, then I shall unfortunatly be compelled to issue an official warning.
 
 

You can compel me 1000 warnings and 3000 banning. When someone in open dispute my ethnicity by calling my nation part Slavic by blood I will react properly. This is the definition of racism toward to the Greek nation.

Attempts   to force the Greek nation into either a "black" or a "white" or a “Slavic” category have no biological justification. Greeks are Greeks and not part Greeks.



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Originally posted by akritas

Greeks are Greeks and not part Greeks.
 
What's that but a racist statement? Is there another nation in Europe that would seriously make the same claim? (Actually I doubt most Greeks would agree.)
 
Maybe Iceland? Iceland was pretty much out of touch all along.
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Originally posted by Mixcoatl

Originally posted by akritas

Originally posted by es_bih

  Considering that most of Greece has a Slavic admixture since the 6-7th cts. 
This is a nationalist and racist quote.
How do you know that most of the Greece has  Slavic mixture ?
Historical  and archaeological evidence collapse your racist quote. Genetic and anthropological analysies also.

Why is it racist to be called Slavic? Is there something wrong with Slavs?
It depends from  the writing of this that he asking or argue.  Nationality is a matter of culture, not genetics(mixtures).
 
If the basis of your writing is the culture  my  answers are
 
-No
-Nothing wrong
 
If the basis of your writing is the  the genetics  then you know what would be my  answers.
 
Originally posted by gcle2003

Originally posted by akritas

Greeks are Greeks and not part Greeks.
 
What's that but a racist statement? Is there another nation in Europe that would seriously make the same claim? (Actually I doubt most Greeks would agree.)
 
Maybe Iceland? Iceland was pretty much out of touch all along.
the same  answer as the previous one.


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Originally posted by es_bih

Originally posted by akritas

Originally posted by es_bih

  Considering that most of Greece has a Slavic admixture since the 6-7th cts. 


This is a nationalist and racist quote.
How do you know that most of the Greece has  Slavic mixture ?

Historical  and archaeological evidence collapse your racist quote. Genetic and anthropological analysies also.

 

 


Warren Treadgold. History of Byzantium.
great scholar and a neutral source.

Those areas were under various different Slavic groups' control until the late 8 th ct. Admixture is something that certainly happened.

And Slavs were there, and stayed. what happened is that a lot of other groups were moved by various emperors to supplicate loyalist citixzens.

The Byzantines were not keen on greeknes. but on loyalty to the roman crown.
Bigger from Ostrogorski, Satton, Charanis or Curta ?
My answer is here.
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Hello Vorian
 
Chill out dude, there no reason for anger.
 
Let them claim what ever they want nobody will listen to them and frankly, non of the reasons mentioned above deserve the fuss, at leastfrom my humble perspective, except territorial claims which I never heard of, since I don't live in the region and it is not my highest priority. But hey, Iran calls the gulf Persian and the Arab reaction was no way near the Iranian reaction when they demonstrated against google, National Geographic, UAE embassy. We just say to them good luck. There is an Iranian Azerbaijan and a republic of Azerbaijan and no fuss was made. In Luxembourg the state German is their ethnicity while in the Belgian Luxemboug they Waloon.
 
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Originally posted by Sparten

 
India Pakistan have many more dispute than "mountains". As I am sure that you and FYR Macedonia have other issues. But a dispute over a name will always strike people (outsiders) as the height of immaturity.
 
 


Exactly. To me it sounds immature thatboth sides got nukes while having a live conflict.

It's all a matter of where you stand. I know nothing about that conflict, that's why I don't post on it or try to be patronising like most people do here.
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Hello Vorian
 
Chill out dude, there no reason for anger.
 
Let them claim what ever they want nobody will listen to them and frankly, non of the reasons mentioned above deserve the fuss, at leastfrom my humble perspective, except territorial claims which I never heard of, since I don't live in the region and it is not my highest priority. But hey, Iran calls the gulf Persian and the Arab reaction was no way near the Iranian reaction when they demonstrated against google, National Geographic, UAE embassy. We just say to them good luck. There is an Iranian Azerbaijan and a republic of Azerbaijan and no fuss was made. In Luxembourg the state German is their ethnicity while in the Belgian Luxemboug they Waloon.
 
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Not exactly angry mate, just fed up. We have enough problems here to worry about FYROM idiotic aspirations while the rest opf the world blindly accuses us of immaturity or plain stupidity.
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                              Or at the very least, Cool it down some.Wink
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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Originally posted by Akritas

Bigger from Ostrogorski, Satton, Charanis or Curta ?

Ostrogorski supports es bih
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Originally posted by Akritas

Bigger from Ostrogorski, Satton, Charanis or Curta ?

Ostrogorski supports es bih
Give me page, book and edition ?
 
But even though the Pelopomese itself was under Slav control for more than two hundred years,a there was no question of any permanent Slavonization of Greek territOry.
Little by little the Byzantine authorities in Greece and the other coastal regions managed to regain lost ground and to preserve, or in some cases to recover, their Greek character for these areas.
[Georg Ostrogorsky, page 94,History of the Byzantine State]
 
do you need more ?
 
 
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Originally posted by red clay

 
 
 
 
 
 
                                   
 
                              Or at the very least, Cool it down some.Wink
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 


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Originally posted by akritas

Originally posted by Mixcoatl

Originally posted by akritas

Originally posted by es_bih

  Considering that most of Greece has a Slavic admixture since the 6-7th cts. 
This is a nationalist and racist quote.
How do you know that most of the Greece has  Slavic mixture ?
Historical  and archaeological evidence collapse your racist quote. Genetic and anthropological analysies also.

Why is it racist to be called Slavic? Is there something wrong with Slavs?
It depends from  the writing of this that he asking or argue.  Nationality is a matter of culture, not genetics(mixtures).
 
If the basis of your writing is the culture  my  answers are
 
-No
-Nothing wrong
 
If the basis of your writing is the  the genetics  then you know what would be my  answers.
 
Originally posted by gcle2003

Originally posted by akritas

Greeks are Greeks and not part Greeks.
 
What's that but a racist statement? Is there another nation in Europe that would seriously make the same claim? (Actually I doubt most Greeks would agree.)
 
Maybe Iceland? Iceland was pretty much out of touch all along.
the same  answer as the previous one.
I didn't understand it the first time.
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For some of our proud Greek brothers here on AE let me give you some nice helpful advice. As you know we have many members who carry a strong affinity to their heritage. Members from all walks of life and ethnicities. I remember the heavy Turko-everything threads from a few years back. It got to the point where one group would feel offended when another group called them less than 100% pure. Yet, those who carried an open mind realized that social/ cultural and ethinic mixing has carried on for generations. To what extent? We can realy on the books, our relatives and traditions for that information.
 
My suggestion is to argue the sources. Be aware of the possibilities and still carry your pride with honor. Nobody is intentionally belittling or diffusing your genetic ancestry. However, scholarly debates shall continue.
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LOL, I was merely asking why they don't care what WE find offensive.
 
That is probably because YOU started to find offensive too many things. Don't call this Feta, do not call yourselves Macedonians, these people should not call themselves Lesbians, these lands are not lands of Orpheus and so on. Wink
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Originally posted by akritas

Originally posted by Sparten

Careful before you accuse people of being racist akritas.
Why ?
....are you also adopted his "ideas" ?
 ...that most of  Greece has a Slavic admixture since the 6-7th cts ?
how you call someone that put blood and dna with the ethnicity, at least within a race ?
 
 
First racist then was Constantine Porphirogenitus.
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