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Count Belisarius
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Topic: Who was the 1st to discover America? Posted: 01-Sep-2008 at 00:44 |
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Sander
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Posted: 03-Sep-2008 at 01:37 |
Its seems more likely that there was exchanging with more than only one Old world region. Besides, meso america situated between 2 oceans , was geographically extra nicely situated to have contact with various people from across both oceans.
Meso americanists like Coe (and others ) who are a bit less under the spell of the isolationst dogma and politized issues, have accepted compelling evidence and some contacts .
The common isolationist practice is to deny everything that 'violates ' the ideology. The big trick is to keep arguing and disagreeing, so it can said to be " not incontrovertible evidence" , 'not widely agreed" etc. Papers, written by the isolationist fractions within the academic community warrant extra caution, when they have to defend the Culturally Sealed Continent . Often we see some serious twisting. Nice to demonstrate...
Edited by Sander - 10-Dec-2008 at 17:57
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Posted: 03-Sep-2008 at 02:31 |
There is no evidence. Period.
It is amazing how persistent are the hyperdiffusionism believers in theirs fantasies.
They keep in theirs effort to degrade the brillian Amerindian cultures and civilizations. Perhaps to prove the singularity and superiority of western civilization
Edited by pinguin - 03-Sep-2008 at 02:39
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Posted: 27-Oct-2008 at 09:59 |
Originally posted by pinguin
There is no evidence. Period. |
That's not true. One group crossed over around 500 AD and, by about 1200 AD, had colonized part of the Americas from the Pacific to the Atlantic, setting up an entire civilization. The Inuit.
It is amazing how persistent are the hyperdiffusionism believers in theirs fantasies. They keep in theirs effort to degrade the brillian Amerindian cultures and civilizations. Perhaps to prove the singularity and superiority of western civilization |
Yes, that is absolutely their aim. Most of them don't even realize about the Inuit, because hyperdiffusionist theorists don't talk about the Inuit. They're not Romans or Egyptians or lost tribes of Israel, so they don't satisfy the fantasy. This shows the true colours of the hyperdiffusionists.
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Posted: 27-Oct-2008 at 12:29 |
Originally posted by edgewaters
Originally posted by pinguin
There is no evidence. Period. |
That's not true. One group crossed over around 500 AD and, by about 1200 AD, had colonized part of the Americas from the Pacific to the Atlantic, setting up an entire civilization.
The Inuit.
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I should have said, "other than the Inuits, there is no evidence"
But you know they didn't mean the Inuits, but the lost tribe of Israel, the nubians and other in the same style.
Originally posted by edgewaters
It is amazing how persistent are the hyperdiffusionism believers in theirs fantasies.
They keep in theirs effort to degrade the brillian Amerindian cultures and civilizations. Perhaps to prove the singularity and superiority of western civilization |
Yes, that is absolutely their aim. Most of them don't even realize about the Inuit, because hyperdiffusionist theorists don't talk about the Inuit. They're not Romans or Egyptians or lost tribes of Israel, so they don't satisfy the fantasy. This shows the true colours of the hyperdiffusionists. |
Agreed. But it is not only fantasy. Deep inside hiperdiffusionism there is still living some racist theories of bygone days.
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daveu
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Posted: 29-Apr-2010 at 07:59 |
Johnny come lately here. Much more research has been done about the peopling of N.A. I have found the book "Advanced Civilizations of Prehistoic America" by Frank Joseph really good. Now the first thing out of the "its not true - its garbage" crowd will be -- hoax or fraud. Oh well. the blind leading the blind again. I think the sailors of Europe and the North Atlantic knew all about the continent. They also knew all about the Grand Banks and the cod industry. From the Vikings to the Templars to the Scots to the European sailors. A person just has to figure in the fact that 98% (+/-)of the population was illiterate and everything was word of mouth. Yes, a few monks and explorers had journals, etc and they really are our only source of material. BUT THAT'S NOT TRUE. The continent is littered with ruins and artifacts all over the place and I don't think Native Americans took a lot of time building these things (for one - Cahokia). I have been there. We are soooo stuck in the "white, European" mode that our eyes have very big blinders on.
This does not even get to the North Michigan copper mines. New research on that puppy out also. Especially since they have found a new ship (dated approx. - very B.C.) in the "Med" loaded with copper. Come on. This was done by a very organized labor force. Think what it would take today to move that much copper.
"Scientists and engineers estimate that it would have required 10,000 men 1,000 years to develop the extensive operations carried on throughout the region. It is estimated that 1.5 billion pounds of copper were mined by these unknown people."
This quote was taken from the "Short History of Copper" "http://www.exploringthenorth.com/cophistory/cophist.html
Does anyone really know what 1.5 billion pounds of copper looks like.
The real key to this whole thing is ----- "THESE UNKNOWN PEOPLE" ------
Until this has been proven we are left with one thing. --- where is the copper ---- all the rest of this chatter is done by people of "but Columbus was first" crowd. He wasn't. They have not found the copper anymore than anyone else. Did see a show on History Channel about the copper boat rams of the Greeks. Very very interesting.
This is my introductory rant.
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Posted: 01-Jun-2010 at 20:03 |
For all you Zheng He believers...Why would the Europeans settle and the Chinese not? I know there was The Hongxi Emperor who wanted to stop expeditions but if they find a giant new continent wouldn't they settle there permanently. Also, all confirmed expeditions had gone through Oceania and as far as Africa, so East, why would he suddenly decide to go West? This would be a giant voyage and heavily recorded, but no. They probably hit Australia.
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Posted: 18-Mar-2011 at 11:03 |
Egyptians,coca is inside the mummies!
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Posted: 28-Mar-2011 at 10:11 |
Originally posted by medenaywe
Egyptians,coca is inside the mummies! |
Trade! America wasn't discovered, it was rediscovered. The ancients knew about it.
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Posted: 28-Mar-2011 at 11:09 |
I have a National Geographic map of south America, with pictures representing the people, or showing their artifacts in the different regions and it looks like all the races are represented.
The Phoenician could have discovered the Americas. But this would be after Asians crossed the land bridge.
http://phoenicia.org/america.html
Edited by Athena - 28-Mar-2011 at 11:19
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