Amerindians and Inuits in Europe, before Columbus

umm! You are right. Let me check it up the source and I come back. :)

Pinguin, the geographical conception of the world was very twisted (from our point of view) in Antiquity and a large part of the Middle Ages. Many believed various rivers and seas which now we know they were not. Some believed that between Caspian Sea you can reach to the Baltic by water. On the other hand Indian didn't mean only from Indian peninsula, and sometimes it was just a vague reference for "beyond Iran" (Persia/Parthia etc.). I'm not sure if your accounts did those confusions, but that could be a scenario in which people could imagine Indians navigating to Germany's shores. What is certain that Indians were not Amerindians.

Originally posted by Maharbbal Besides, Pinguin, proof that the Indians and Inuits were nothing but a bunch of incapable idiots: why would they go again and again to Lubeck of all places while they could have gone to Amsterdam, Paris, Baleares Islands, Venice, etc you know some serious tourism.

Hmm Columbus was convinced that the new world was� a woman breast!!!

Besides, in Spanish or not, it is still an echo of the previous two events, a second hand record written several centuries after. The fact that it was written after 1492 makes it even dodgier as a piece of evidence.

Originally posted by pinguin "...en el tiempo del emperador Federico Barbajora (1155-1190) aportaron a Lubec ciertos indios en una canoa...."   Paul Gaffarel, who studied the topic declared:   "Therefore it seems that the Greeks and Romans never went to America. On the contrary, there are Americans who, during the first century before the Christian era, might have come to Europe".

Originally posted by Pinguin Antonio Galvano, Portuguese carthographer, wrote in 1555 the following:   "In the year 1153, in the time of Frederich Barbarosa it is written that there come to Lubec ... one canoe with certain Indians, like unto a long barge: which seemed to come from the coast of Baccalaos (Newfoundland region)... The Germans greatly wondered to see such a barge and such a people, not knowing from wence they came, not understanding their speech, especially because there was no knowledge of that country.   Galvano, Discoveries. 18.

Lopez de Gomara, Spanish Writer wrote (In Spanish, sorry)   "...en el tiempo del emperador Federico Barbajora (1155-1190) aportaron a Lubec ciertos indios en una canoa...."

Lopez de Gomara is also a 16th century writer. It is obviously the same story (this time it even has the same elements: Barbarossa's reign, Lubec, Indians, canoe and moreover was written in the same era).

Paul Gaffarel is a 19th century author. His evidence for contact in "the first century before the Christian era" is? The account of Cornelius Nepos - i.e. your first evidence?

 

Well, with respect to Corte Real, the Vikings and the Inuits, I have the idea that somehow the knowledge about Labrador was never missed. It seem Scandinavians still knew about Labrador during the 15TH century, which makes sense. After all, five hundred years is not that much for people to complete forgot a major historical event.

Originally posted by Sarmat12 Pinguin, Aside of the Ameridians' travels to Europe do you know of any accounts of their journeys to the other part of the world through the Pacific. Japan, Korea, China..?

Edited by pinguin - 19-Apr-2008 at 05:06

Zierik meaning Inuit? Inuit means Inuit in Dutch, and Eskimo means Eskimo. Zierik does not have any meaning. Have you any evidence that the kayak they found was Inuit? People here built boats as well after all.

EDIT:
I did some googling, and I found out there is indeed an Inuit kayak in a museum in Zierikzee

dating from the 18th century.


Edited by Mixcoatl - 19-Apr-2008 at 13:33

Pinguin, that book says the tradition says 849 AD, but tracing back the boat goes to 18th century. So, as far as the evidence goes, that voyage happened in the 18th century, not in the 9th.