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    Posted: 19-Sep-2010 at 16:44
^ i am not sure why you guys are forgeting indus valley civilization which is one of the oldest too.
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  Quote red clay Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20-Sep-2010 at 08:35
They didn't forget it. You just missed it.
 
 
What about Gobekli Teppi.  10,000+ bce.
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  Quote Guests Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20-Sep-2010 at 23:17
i think you people kindly study about indian cvilization,if you can't understand i will teach you ok!!!!!!
am having carbon dating proof of 9500 BC ,did you people having at least proof of 5000BC?

then why should ignorance about my words
i think time to have a discussion about my post!!!



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  Quote Guests Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20-Sep-2010 at 23:49
indian vally civilisation:
NASA Images Find 1,750,000 Year Old Man-Made Bridge between India and Sri Lanka
Adam´s Bridge is 30 km long

"In the eighteenth incarnation (of Lord Krishna), the Lord appeared as King Rama. In order to perform some pleasing work for the demigods, He exhibited superhuman powers by controlling the Indian Ocean and then killing the atheist King Ravana, who was on the other side of the sea" - Srimad Bhagavatam
@PTI) Space images taken by NASA reveal a mysterious ancient bridge in the Palk Strait between India and Sri Lanka. The recently discovered bridge currently named as Adam´s Bridge is made of chain of shoals, c.18 mi (30 km) long.
The bridge´s unique curvature and composition by age reveals that it is man made. The legends as well as Archeological studies reveal that the first signs of human inhabitants in Sri Lanka date back to the a primitive age, about 1,750,000 years ago and the bridge´s age is also almost equivalent.
This information is a crucial aspect for an insight into the mysterious legend called Ramayana, which was supposed to have taken place in tredha yuga (more than 1,700,000 years ago).
In this epic, there is a mentioning about a bridge, which was built between Rameshwaram (India) and Srilankan coast under the supervision of a dynamic and invincible figure called Rama who is supposed to be the incarnation of the supreme.
This information may not be of much importance to the archeologists who are interested in exploring the origins of man, but it is sure to open the spiritual gates of the people of the world to have come to know an ancient history linked to the Indian mythology.

cientific evidences point to human activity in ancient times on both sides of Ram Sethu as found by Deptt. of Earth Sciences and ocean technologists of Bharatam. This area should be declared a protected monument under the Protection of Monuments Act and declared as a World Heritage site by the Government of India and advised to UNESCO.
The Geological and geophysical survey of the Sethu-samudram Project clearly reveal that Rama’s bridge appears to be a major
Geological feature. The surveys reveal that to the north of Ram Sethu on the Palk Bay side, the formation have undergone down faulting and the Ram Sethu came up as an up thrown block. This geomorphic feature is seem to be continuous and verified both by bathymetry survey and NASA land image.
One could clearly see that this is but a continuous feature with minor depressions upto about 100m width. In consonance with these things there are inter tidal marine sandy islands. These depressions and the islands appear to be neotectonic feature resulting in changes in bathymetry.
It is a well established scientific phenomenon that there has been a major glaciation period (ice age) with glacial maxima at about 18,000 years BP. This feature has been observed and studied in several parts of the world with the help of submerged Corals. During the glacial Maxima, the sea level was about 130m lower than what is today. This is evidenced both on the east
and west coast of India, where submerged Corals occur around 1 to 2m water depths and they are clear indicators of near coastal zone.
The Ram Sethu ridge is a major marine divide. It separates the furious Bay of Bengal sea and sediments in the Palk bay and the very calm placid waters of the Gulf of Mannar. This ridge like feature is similar to the “Allaband” that was formed after a major earthquake in Arabian Sea in the early 19th century. In the Allaband, a long stretch of about 90km length and about 0.5 to 4km wide zone got uplifted because of a major tectonic event that was responsible for the earthquake. Since this event occurred in the recent past and such huge track of land was raised, people called that it is happened due to the will of Allah and named it Allaband.
The Ram Sethu is a similar feature but formed much earlier due to tectonic causes that were prevalent in these areas. However, during the last ice age (18,000 year BP) the entire area from India to Sri Lanka and further south and southeast were contagious land due to the highly lowered sea level. As and when there were major melting of glaciers both from the mountains as well as from the Antarctic area, the sea level was rising. These features were well recorded and studied by several submerged Coral formations all over the world. About 7,300 years BP the sea level in the southern part of India was about 3.5 m above the present level. This has been deciphered by Dr. P.K. Banerjee, who studied Corals that found in the land part as of Pamban, Rameswaram, and Tuticorin etc. Subsequently the sea level went down and rose +2m above than what is today between 5000 to 4000 years B.P.
The Geological logging of the bore holes drilled by NIOT in the inter tidal areas of Ram Sethu reveals very interesting details. In all the bore holes the top portion is seen to be occupied by recent marine sands. In almost of all the boreholes between 4.5 and 7.5m the borehole intersected hard formations, which have been found to be calcareous sand stones and corals. It is to be pointed out here that Corals are comparatively less dense, compact and somewhat easy to carry. The Corals normally grow atop compact to hard formations for the purpose of stability, and as the sea level rises, the Coral colony grows up vertically to maintain water depth of 1 to 2 m, which is essential for their survival. It is always observed that these Corals have continuous vertical growth like Lakshadweep, Andaman’s, and Gulf of Mannar Natural Park. These have always been found to grow on hard rock bottom. In the case of Ram Sethu area, we observe that the Coral formations hardly occur 1 to 2.5m in length and resting on loose marine sands. Most of these coral rock pieces are seem to be rounded pebbles of corals. These things appear to point these coral rock pieces and pebbles have been transported and placed in these areas.
Since the calcareous sand stones and Corals are less dense than normal hard rock and quite compact, probably these were used by the ancients to form a connecting link to Sri Lanka, on the higher elevations of the Ram Sethu ridge and this is analogous to modern day causeway.
In support of these observations there are many archaeological and geoarchaeological evidences on the south east coast of India around Rameswaram, Tuticorin and the western coast of Sri Lanka. There are raised Teri formations that supported a rich assemblage of mesolithic—microlithic tools indicating the presence of strong human habitation and activity in these areas as early as 8000 to 9000 years B.P and as recent as 4000 years B.P. On Sri Lanka side there are indications of human habitation extending to late Pleistocene (about 13,000 B.P) based on bone and fossils of human and animal form.
All these point to a flourishing human activity on both side of Adams Bridge and probably when the sea levels were just right the link between India and Sri Lanka could have been established.
Source: Dept. of Earth Sciences, Government of India (March, 2007)


Note: There are 4 ages, or yugas, rotating through time like the 4 seasons: Satya, 1,800,000 yeas long; Dvarapa, 1,200,000 years long, Treta, 800,000 years long and Kali, 432,000 years long. In this most recent yuga cycle, the Dvarapara and Treta yugas were reversed. This event took place about 2 million years ago

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  Quote Guests Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20-Sep-2010 at 23:55
just study my new post (with reff to nassa)
whats on your minde
kindly let me know
can you imagine 175000 year bc ?
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  Quote balochii Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21-Sep-2010 at 00:53
^ oh please, this is not a place for hindu nationalistics, we need real history, not some bias hindu history
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  Quote Guests Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02-Oct-2010 at 00:20
dear balochi

am not that what you think,
am not proposing hindhuism nor indian

all my posts are humble try to bring out older civilizations which was not known to many
boss am not just writing or bluffing am giving sceintific proofs also which is accepted by science world then why you get irritated ?
nassa has accepted fact of oldest bridge u may know it

for more clarifications am ready to have a long discussion about this with you



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Serbs as Aryan, comes from the son of Noah!Posted: 5 October 2014 at 17:03 /254Biochemist from Harvard analysis of the genes found that the Serbs oldest people come from a son of Noah and the Balkan homeland of the Slavs, even those who have gone to India and were called Arians ..Russian-born American scientist Anatoly Kljosov, a visiting professor at Harvard, published a series of books claiming that the Balkans was the homeland of the Slavs, and even the Russians.Namely, on the analysis of gene R1a1 which is most common in the Balkans and the Dinaric area, colloquially called "Illyrian" concluded that the Serbs descended all of today's Slavs, but also the majority of the people of Europe.These "stone genes" are 12,000 years old, while others are 4-7 thousand years old, and all Indo-European peoples of Europe have over 40 percent of the gene, according to the 67 - year Kljosov."
All the Slavs came to the Balkans and the descendants of Noah's son!"According to his study, over 60 percent of the genes are southern Slavs in Serbia, BiH, Croatia and Montenegro, but the same concentration is in the north of Europe - Denmark, northern Germany, in the south of Scandinavia and the UK.Biochemist Anatoly Kljosov in his scientific paper argues that the descendants of Noah's son settled initially in the lower reaches of the Danube - the territory of today's Serbia - and then going to the north.As noted by Serbian Telegraph in Russian schools actually taught how they came "from the other side of the Carpathians".Kljosov on the basis of genetic mutations haplogroups characteristic of the Slavs concluded that all the Slavs arrived in the Balkans, but that is the Indian caste Aryans originated with the arrival of the Slavs in Serbia in India, about 3,850 years ago.The conclusion of the study of American scientists of the Russian origin of the Serbs as the "oldest people" wholeheartedly supported the media in Serbia, although the geographical breakdown of the distribution 'Dinaric gene' in Europe shows that the densest concentration of this gene is located on the Croatian territory and Bosnia and Herzegovina.
Professor Kljosov claims that the Indo-European languages ​​(which belong to all the languages ​​of Europe, except the Hungarian and Finnish) Praslaveni brought to India, Iran and Afghanistan.These Praslaveni dinar genes, which are in the Balkans still lived 12,000 years ago, according to studies Kljosova after two hundred generations come to the plains of eastern Europe and there 4500 years ago appears genetic ancestor of today's Russians and Ukrainians.Five hundred years later come to the southern Urals, and after 400 years appear in India, which now has a population of 100 million people with this gene.Kljosovljeva theory, based on his analysis of DNA, puts "the head 'current beliefs about the direction of migration of the nation Indo-European cultural circle, this causes duplicate reactions on all sides.Kljosov in 1990 moved to the US, where he has already worked as a visiting professor, and in the former Soviet Union was known as the leader of the scientific team that organized the first internet network in the area in the early 80 - ies.
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  Quote rakovsky Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25-Aug-2016 at 10:09
Originally posted by Sharrukin

1.  Sumerian, c. 3500 BC

2.  Egyptian, c. 3300 BC

3.  Elamite, c. 3200 BC

Wikipedia dates the Elamite language to 2800 to 550 BC.
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  Quote rakovsky Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25-Aug-2016 at 10:26
Chinese civilization typically dates to the Xia of 2200 BC, and their writing to the Shang of 1700 BC, but there are villages and writing signs of China that go back thousands of years before this.

Indus Valley writing I read dates to 3500-1800 BC, but it hasn't been deciphered.

Sumerian writing has been found from 3350 BC. The Sumerians replaced an older civilization or society, the Ubaids, but the Ubaids maybe weren't a "civilization", but more a society with villages. And the Ubaidans could have been Sumerian themselves.

Egypt has hieroglyphics from 3100 BC, and its civilization started maybe in 3500-3300. But there were villages and writing signs and illustrations found from long before then. And it may be that Egypt is older than Sumer as a civilization and has been underestimated in its ancientness.

Nekhen was the capitol of pre-dynastic Egypt.
  • The original settlement on the Nekhen site dates from the culture known as Naqada I of 4400 BC or the late Badarian culture that may date from 5000 BC. At its height from about 3400 BC, Nekhen had at least 5,000 and possibly as many as 10,000 inhabitants.
  • https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nekhen

So it can be a fine line between what counts as writing and civilization and what is just a society and message markings. By comparison, the Iroquois had wooden villages and some stone megaliths and they had wampum writing, but do we say they had "a civilization and writing"?

The Peruvian "Indians"/"Native Americans" had a society in Norte Chico and elsewhere that went back to maybe 3500 BC with pyramids and Neolithic/Megalithic frescoes and giant engravings. But their writing was with beads and cords called quipu.

In any case, what I've just listed seem to be the "civilizations" that predate 3000 BC. Other societies, impressive for their time existed for thousands of years previously, like the builders of Stonehenge. The megalithic builders in Malta and Gobekli Tepe come to mind, and some places left us primitive writing signs. There may have been dolmen and Kurgan cultures in southern Russia and neighboring areas like Central Asia and the Caucasus.

To answer the OP, I would say it was either the Egyptians, Sumerians, Indus Valley, or Peruvians, - and most likely in that order. They grew into civilizations in the 4th millenium BC.


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Zeus is a king of all gods. Zeus was the god of the sky and ruler of the Olympian gods. He overthrew his father, Cronus, and then drew lots with his brothers Poseidon and Hades, in aides to decide who would flourish their father on the throne. Zeus won the draw and became the hegemonic ruler of the gods, as well as lord of the sky and rain. His weapon was a thunderbolt which he hurled at those who unhappily or defied him, especially liars and oathbreakers. He was married to Hera but often tested her sangfroid, as he was infamous for his many functions.

https://www.historyly.com/greek-history/famous-greek-goddesses/

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nice essay by the way.I did not know Zeus and the rest of his team.Have a nice time here raju123.Smile

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