Jerusalem and what should be done with it?

Since when did they start? How is discussing "fighting amongst each other"?

 

"The problem with the Orthodox church is the complete compliance with Israeli policies that some high positioned greek born and raised bishops do. Remeber that two thirds of west jerusalem and much of the settlements around it are church property sold and/or taken with the full knowledge and cooperation of those greeks. This led the Arab christian to rightly demand a return of the church to Arab christians who ran it since the 9th century and never betrayed their duty. unfortunately the greek and the Jordanian governments (the latter is responsible for all non jewish holy sites) refuse to correct the mistake and continue to trust foreigners who more than once betrayed their duty.

 

The Church and the orthodox faithful are in a similar situation as the rest of the palistinians, including the conficastion of property

 

here a church is building homes for local orthodox families

 

Greek [Orthodox] POV on Isreal , its creation and how it has stolen land from the Church (my bolding)

 

For a short time, Palestinians, Jews and Christians all existed happily. However on May 14, 1947, the Jews revolted and declared their independence. The surrounding countries of Jordan, Syria and Lebanon joined forces with the Palestinians to try and settle the rebellion, but the Jews prevailed and created a new homeland, named Israel. However, there was little free land left for the government to use. The newly created parliamentary democracy thus decided to use non-Jewish lands for its government buildings. Lands owned by the Holy Cross Seminary in Jerusalem were confiscated by the government, without compensation, and currently house the Israeli parliament (The Knesset), the Presidential Palace and a few other government buildings (GOARCH). Israeli settlements started to encroach upon Greek Orthodox monasteries to expand the Jewish living area. Two monasteries were taken over by the “natural expansion” of Israeli Settlements (Greek). The Greek Orthodox Church?s property ownership decreased by 12% during this period (GOARCH). This disregard for property ownership has continued in Israeli policy, even today.   Ninety percent of the land in Israel is owned by the Israel Lands Administration (Keeping). Israeli law states that it is the government's right to declare as public property any area of land whose owner is unknown. Under this article, if a piece of land is left unoccupied for more than 24 hours, it becomes land under "ambiguous ownership" and becomes a target for Israeli confiscation (Masri). An example of this is monastery occupations. If a monastery is left unattended, the government can override it, exersizing complete disregard for its sentimental and religious value to the monastery?s respective religion (Greek). Another example of this is Israel?s control of the West Bank. According to recent statistics, more than half of the total area is considered “public property,” thus is under the government?s complete control (Masri).   Besides the strain put on Israeli-Orthodox relationship because of land, other Israeli laws and governmental actions have greatly hampered the activity and freedom of the Greek Orthodox Church. The failure of the Israeli government to recognize the newly elected Patriarch of Jerusalem, Ireneos, has hurt public relations between the two peoples. Traditionally, the governments of Jordan, Israel, and the Palestinian Authority (PA) must approve nominations and elections for the Patriarch (GOARCH). Jordan and the PA accepted all nominations, while Israel rejected five, including Ireneos, because they were more “pro-Palestinian.” Ireneos became elected as Ecumenical Patriarch, and still has not been recognized by the Israeli government (Greek).

www.hellenicnews.com

 

 just to show your the Orthodox predictament of the zionist state. Not all us westerners are the same

What are you talking about?

 

"I have to wonder if you are even living in the same world as the rest of us. Israelis have been seizing Palestinian lands irregardless of whether they are owned by Christian or Muslim, Greek or Arab. Most of the Arab christians there are Greek Orthodox by the way, and are also Palestinian - meaning they have been there since before Christianity anyway.
The christians are involved just as much as the muslims are and for exactly the same reason. Don't you remember when the Israelis attacked the Church of the Nativity in Bethleham a few years back?"

What is your point? I said me personally I don't care.

Ah okay. Sorry I didn't read through that wahabi text which "explains" that.

 

"No you said Arab Christians don't care which is just flat wrong."

Now my statement:

 

"You're going to have to give a source of Greeks taking land from Arabs. And are they both Orthodox? Of the Arabs are anything else then Orthodox well sorry but the Orthodox owned it first. And even if they are Arab Orthodox the Greeks owned that land first. So there is no point bringing in such long winded dates."

 

Now show me where i said the Arab Orthodox don't care.

 

 If you read religious texts the same way you read the words of people I can see where you get the idea that James denounced Paul. Be more careful it saves time sadiq. ;)

 

Even being the third, it's important enough that they won't concede.  People usually would not concede religious principles.  Even if a site is only the least important holy site of a religion like Islam, it is unlikely that the adherents of that religion would simply give in if they beleive that it would violate their religious precepts to do so.  Sure, some religions are more flexible and might work out some kind of solutions, but this won't likely happen in this case, because Judaism believes God himself revealed the location for their Temple, and no one can change God's command (even God himself cannot change the Torah).  For the Muslims, it is the Quran, Allah's revelation, that teaches them why Jerusalem is religiously significant, and a Muslim wouldn't change or undermine the Quran anymore than an Orthodox Jew would change or undermine the Torah.  (I know some argue that it took sometimes before the Muslims turned Jerusalem into a holy site, but it doesn't matter: the fact is that it has become the third most important holy site, and in the minds of the Muslims, two of the reasons for its being a holy site are that Muhammed ascended to Heaven there, and Abraham attempted to sacrifice Ishmael there, and if I'm not mistaken, both incidents were recorded in the Quran.)  Not only is Jerusalem holy to both religions, it is exactly the same lot of land within Jerusalem -- the Temple Mount, where the Dome of the Rock is located -- that is holy to both religions.  I may be mistaken, but it seems like the rock in the Dome of the Rock is also what many believe to be the location of the Holy of Holies in the Jewish Temple!  If their holy sites are located in two locations in different parts of Jerusalem, the problem wouldn't be nearly as great.  Religious sentiment combined with nationalistic motivations and animosity result in almost no possibility for compromise. 

 

not fair,   that "Israelis"are only Jews (mostly) while Palestinians are both Muslims and Christians also they are the majority not settlers.

 

so i would say

 

0% to the Zinionsts

 

10% to the Jews

 

90% to the rest.