Solution to the Balkan crisis?

The politics are in most of the cases advantageous for mightier ones, i.e. those having stronger armies. When Habsburgs, Ottomans, Russian Empire or even USSR grabbed parts of the Balkans, no diplomacy could make them change their plans.

Edited by Chilbudios - 09-Feb-2008 at 13:33

Originally posted by JanusRook Oh and Greece needs to stop being childish about certain neighboring states. That might help one of the Balkan problems.

That was clearly a comment to cause provocation!

A certain neighbouring state should learn to behave internationally (like a certain man failed to do in the UN congress yesterday), stop spreading state sponsored propaganda (like the Rosetta stone witnessed on this forum) and respect the fact that many people around it use a certain name for a reason of their own. If you can't understand that the issue implied is not just a name but something much bigger for some, don't put labels about childish behaviours.

Thank you!


Edited by Flipper - 11-Feb-2008 at 16:13

Free Kosovo, destroy nationalism and live and let live.

And I say this from the comfert of an armchair on a computer 1,500 miles away.

Originally posted by es_bih .... Childish behavior experienced above...

Start by defining childish first, give an example above and then we can discuss it. I give exact references for my comments.

Originally posted by es_bih If they feel that that is the proper name; then it is.

Then we should all do whatever we feel is proper without thinking twice, nor respecting each other, nor willing to cooperate or discuss. It is like the noizy neighbour who  decides to cut some trees with the chainsaw, 4 am in a tuesday morning, without thinking or carrying that people might be sleeping (and having the right to do so).

Originally posted by es_bih  If we feel that the United States of the Great Plains, it is our right to do so, too.

Action and reaction my friend...We can all do what we feel, but lets not forget we don't live in a dreamworld. Realities are different that what we ideally wish. We shouldn't ignore the practical effects of them.

If we think with that logic, in what "Is our right" to do, everyone for himself, the balkans would be ashes now...Seriously...

Originally posted by es_bih Not to mention that that certain neighbor lives on that certain land, and that its neighbors have a laundry closet comparably full of propaganda and wishful thinking as well.

Maybe we should all refresh our memory of what that certain land is geographically (much smaller in other words -> Orestes, Bottia, Pieria, Emathia, Mygdonia, Elimnia, Lynchistes and later Pelagonia), otherwise we can start discussing endless borders or even a weird displacement depending on the timeframe we examine. New Mexico is not Mexico.



As for the rest of the comment, Vorian covered me completely.




Edited by Flipper - 11-Feb-2008 at 19:08

Thanks Janus!
Sorry if I was kinda sharp. I really hope it is as you say it.

Originally posted by Vorian Originally posted by es_bih .... Childish behavior experienced above... If they feel that that is the proper name; then it is. If we feel that the United States of the Great Plains, it is our right to do so, too. Not to mention that that certain neighbor lives on that certain land, and that its neighbors have a laundry closet comparably full of propaganda and wishful thinking as well. A quick correction a)The name is also used by two million people of other ethnicity who don't want to give up their name to total strangers b)The neighbor you mention lives in a portion of that certain land, a small one that is. c)Greece does use some propaganda as any other nation but it's nothing compared to the fallacies taught in FYROM schools.

And by millions who don't see it as such a big deal.

Greece asserts a direct link to that certain name, which is not so direct either.

They are not total strangers they've lived there for 1500 years, and its been inhabitated for over 2500, an I'm sure a gene or two of that gene pool mixed with the  current one ;)

You say that because you see it as a simple name...It's not just a simple name for others, nor is the tention so big just for the name. If that is what you think, then I can see your point, but it does definetely not reflect as a whole the situation. Besides, you could have enumerated many examples of numerous "childish" behaviours from the other part as well, if you wanted to reach a spherical perspective.

A name can always be discussed in a civil way. Just in the same way you inform your neighbours about your noisy birthday party.

Many things in life, fail because the lack of respect and lack of understanding. As for the reality, people often fail to see the practical results of their actions.

Es bih:

Edited by Akolouthos - 12-Feb-2008 at 19:48

Balkanize...??

Originally posted by Chilbudios Flipper, I live in a country called Romania and I'd find it really weird, not to call it somehow else, if someone will ask me how dare Romanians to usurp the names of the Romans, instead of leaving it for Italians, French or others (and also please note roughly half of my country's territory was not even a Roman province).   The same should go for Moldova, Turkey, Macedonia and several other countries. If only for Macedonia the arguments get heated, then I see it as a problem with those people, not with a country having the name which it has.

Yes that is offensive ;), you must change it to Dacia.