Greek ancestory of the Kailashis

Originally posted by Tyranos There doesnt seem to be a genetic link between the Greeks and Kalash, but there is one between the Greeks and Pathans: Link: Greek origins of some Pathans but not other Pakistanis

Originally posted by bilal_ali_2000       Yes i had thought of that before. When i hear many western tavelleres make the comment that the people in the Himalayas, remember that not just the Kailashis but among all people in the himalayas blue eyes and red, blond hair are common, are nordic and that may be because of Alexander and i thought that yeah as if Greeks are a nordic people. Another Norhern European made a comment gloating that how the people of the mid-east were beaten by Nordic Greeks and i remember saying , "Yeah right, Nordic Greeks". Why don't they take a look at the 2D depictions of Greeks to see how Nordic they were.       It seems strange that whenever anywhere light hair and light eyes occur these northern europeans think that they had been there, forget bothering with history which records no such movement but apparently the northern Europeans desperate for some antiquity try to find Northern European contribution in everything of anything of any worth. In the million of lines of ancient Indian literature the Brahmins are explicitly described as black haired and many times dark skinned but they just take one reference form Pannini who lived in the Peshawar valley and hence of course had seen brown and blone hair and override everything else by saying that all the ancient brahmins were all blue eyed and blond haired. Hmph why don't they take a look at the Australian Aboriginals, blonde hair are common among them yet do Northern Europeans call them Nordic.

What "northern Europeans"? How about not generalising millions of people from some odd comment from one or two?

How many such groups exist in pakistan? I read on the net about another such group:

http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/IndiaArchaeology/message/6646

"The claim by some authors that Nagar Brahmins are of Greek descent
must be fairy recent, perhaps last century or so.

The Nagar Brahmins tend to be quite fair skinned, comparable to
Khatris of Punjab, or brahmins from Punjab/Kashmir area. Thus their
fairness is not that unusual.

There is an account of the origin of the Nagars in Nagar Khanda of
Skanda Purana. Unfortunately, like many other such texts it is not
possible to date this text. However it does contain some historical
information embedded in mythological form.

They are from some place called Hataka, which according to
dictionaries, was somewhere in the mountains. According to Nagar
Khanda, when original Hataka became inaccessible, a Hatakeshwara
temple was built in Gujarat.

I have wondered if the original Hataka may have been Attock. The
grammarian Panini lived not very far from Attock on the Indus river.

The people of Chitral are related to the Kafirs of Kafiristan. The
theory that the Kafirs are descendants of the Greeks also must have
been of recent origin. The Kafirs of Kafiristan were largely
inaccesible before their conquest and conversion in 1895-1896.
However there is a valuable account by Sir G. S. Robertson who
visited them in 1892.

The dialects of the various Kafir tribes as well as those in Chitral
have been extensively studied. As one would expect, they show very
strong Sanskrit influence.

See Gerard Fussmann's: 1972 Atlas linguistique des parlers dardes et
kafirs. It has detailed maps and analysis of the dialects.

There is another recent theory that the Kafirs (now called
Nuristanis) are descendants of the Arabs. The simple fact is that
they were mountain Hindus living in isolated valleys who were able to
preserve their pagan ways until 1896. Some of them in two valleys
that were on the British side, remained pagan. However they too have
converted and a few hundred remain. Pakistan government has permitted
missionaries to work among them. Pakistan government has also
encouraged the Greek theory."

Forget theorys. Read history. After Alexander there was a lot of Greek settlement in what is now Pakistan. For example from 190 BC the Bactrian Greek capital was Taxila.

One thing that this country dose not lack (along with mountains lol) is theorys of desent of every ethnic group. Quite a lot of Seriaikis claim desent from various Persian Emperor, everyone is a decendeant of the Prophet, and our founder Jinnah, he had one child, but apparently half of Sindh is somehow related to him.

They don't. About 1840's as the British moved into this area they noticed the people were well how do you put this delicatly, different from what they had confronted thus far. Taller, fair skinned, more "european features". So they theroised that these were some long lost decendants of Alexander the Greats soldiers. This was bunk and later British expeditions showed the area was heavily Hellanized. Indeed Ashoka was part Greek, and Greek was one of the languages of his court.

Read the thread. Been to the region in question. Half the time these things are for tourists.

Sorry Kafkas my Greek brother but Greeks are heavily intermixed with all eastern Mediterranean peoples. I don't think ancient Turks have done too much intermixing with the Ionians - but modern Turks certainly have.

Personally, I would be far more surprised if there wasn't any Greek villages in Pakistan than the fact that there are.

Btw Guys, the Kalash, Pathans and Burusho are not the only cases...There are people in Sudan who have the same myth and speak of the Greek with the horns. They even keep the last 100 drachmas coin (depicting Alexander) as a talisman. I'll try to find some info on them too and see if there is any similarities to the myths of the Pakistan tribes.