Greek ancestory of the Kailashis

Bah...
But they themselves seem to believe it. A few weeks ago there was a greek documentary in the TV about the war in Afghanistan. The reporter interviewed both sides (us and the Taliban). While journeying around Afghanistan he found himself in one of these Kalash villages, where the villagers enthusiastically received him as a brother. They took him in their village, talked with him very openly, and asked him to deliver a request to motherland (Greece that is) to send aid and especially teachers. The reporter was very surprised, because though he knew all this theory about the Kalash'  Greek origin, he didn't believe that would ever get into the Kalash' beliefs ever. But it seems, as he noticed, that these God forsaken people, who live in great povery, remember that some strangers ever visited them, speaking to them about some 'glorious ancestors', and these people of course believed it and put a lot of faith in it.
If that's good or not I don't know. There is of course a chance for Greece to reach her tentacles as far as Afghanistan and Pakistan, but I don't think that would benefit Greece much. We could as a government however help these people with some aid, and especially with some teachers that they need so much, who would help them improve their lives.
(I got off-topic, so I stop here)

I don't believe they have any greek origins either. Regardless of that, some kind of bond between them and Greece has been created and if this can be used to trigger support from Greece to them, in terms of founding, education and other kind of aid, then so much for the better and Greece should continue efforts to improve the lives of these people. Even if this is based on a false identity case.

The Pakistani country is a clown of a nationstate. Neither do they know how to manage a nation, nor do they know how to live amongst each other in peace.

What they do know is how to kill, debauchery, terrorism, cheating, lying, and language and caste-based racism. To expect such responsibility from the Pakistani government makes you a fool.

Edited by Mughaal - 06-Feb-2008 at 15:56

Originally posted by bilal_ali_2000            Yes i also don't  believe it one bit. Their language Brushuski is a language isolate meaning it is non-Aryan let alone having any relation to Greek. Genetics has confirmed that the Kailashis are an aborignal people having little Greek ancestory.

I have the report in PDF from the European Journal of Human Genetics (2006).  In the intro it says the following:

Three Pakistani populations residing in northern Pakistan, the Burusho, Kalash and Pathan claim descent from Greek soldiers associated with Alexander�s invasion of southwest Asia. Earlier studies have excluded a substantial Greek genetic input into these populations, but left open the question of a smaller contribution. We have now typed 90 binary polymorphisms and 16 multiallelic, short-tandem-repeat (STR) loci mapping to the male-specific portion of the human Y chromosome in 952 males, including 77 Greeks in order to re-investigate this question. In pairwise comparisons between the Greeks and the three Pakistani populations using genetic distance measures sensitive to recent events, the lowest distances were observed between the Greeks and the Pathans. Clade E3b1 lineages, which were frequent in the Greeks but not in Pakistan, were nevertheless observed in two Pathan individuals, one of whom shared a 16 Y-STR haplotype with the Greeks. The worldwide distribution of a shortened (9 Y-STR) version of this haplotype,
determined from database information, was concentrated in Macedonia and Greece, suggesting an origin there. Although based on only a few unrelated descendants, this provides strong evidence for a European origin for a small proportion of the Pathan Y chromosomes.

In other words, like you said, they're not descendands, but sure there is a small Greek contribution for sure. In order to note a strong genetical effect on populations, you may need thousands of years of co-existance. In the case of the Greeks we can't speak of massive populations coexisting with the locals.


Edited by Flipper - 07-Feb-2008 at 16:56

There were lots of Greek settlements in that general area, basically from Kabul ti what is now Islamabad after old Alex showed up. So some admixture is not unexpected.

I know what region you talk about, but there's no record so far about such an assumption. To be honest i don't believe that the Greeks were many enough to influence larger populations. Seriously, it may take over 1 or 2 millenias to alienate a dominating population. You have for sure some people around the area that might have some kind of descend but i don't believe in larger groups or areas.

Another voice however, would question how Greek communities were established and survived in other Asian or Caucasian countries  (Georgia and Uzbekistan for example), but those were still closer both to Greece and Persia (which was probably the most popular post after Egypt for the Greeks of that time).

Originally posted by Scaevola What about Northeast India, and Panjab? Isn't that where Porus was defeated by Alexander? People from the state of Panjab often have a lighter complexion than most indians, is this due to some Greek influence as well as possible Aryan heritage?

   Some rather interesting facts

There are more ancient Greek gene in Turkish and Levant Arab's blood. I don't remember them being proud of the having any association with Alexander.

Maybe The Kalashi should stop fantasizing with something that is not scientifically proven and be proud of who they are.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qEXnEfdvv6s           Interesting here that the Greek guy was saying that the Kalashas building techniques were all similar to Greek style and they were building in the traditional Kalasha style but the Kalashan teahcer said that the Greeks were buidling their own and not the kalasha style, and that the Greeks should keep pass of the life style of the Kalasha people. He also says that the Kalasha themselves don't beileve in the Greek connection and go along with it just to attract Greek monetary support.