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    Posted: 23-Jan-2008 at 19:50

The Russian Revolution

 

     The Russian Revolution, which occurred towards the end of the First World War in 1917, was a tremendous large-scale event upon the 20th Century and the World. This political event within the Russian Empire occurred for many reasons including Russias disastrous entry into World War I along with the Czars incompetent rule along with the existence of many radicals inside and outside Russia who were plotting a return to Russia and vengeance against the Czar and his rule, Including Vladimir Lenin, Leon Trotsky and along with the brutal and unforgiving Joseph Stalin who would arguably the most significant leader of the coming Soviet Union. After the Revolution occurred its effects were wide reaching including the Worlds first Communist Government although not in Marxs vision was nonetheless significant in geopolitics at the time. Also the existence of this new Communist government in Russia set off a wave of anti-communist opinions and feelings in the West including the 1st Red Scare in the United States. This along with not to mention providing an excuse for Hitlers aggression in World War II against the Soviet Union and the Cold War that followed between the Soviet Union and its Warsaw Pact Allies and the United States and its NATO Allies. The Cold War of which would eventually led to the end of Communism in the Soviet Union and Eastern Europe. The Russian Revolution it could also be argued set precedent and the stage for the rise of other Communist Regimes in areas outside of Eastern Europe including the victory of Communists in China in the years following WWII and the rise of Mao Zedong. Along with Kim-Il Sung coming to power after World War II in the Northern half of Korea. In addition to rise of Castro to power in Cuba along with the brutal and nightmarish rise of to power in Cambodia of Pol Pot along with many other Communist and Socialist regimes throughout the World. The effects of the Russian Revolution even reverberate into the 21st Century.

 

   The Russian Revolution it could be argued and almost stated was boiling and building in the Political atmosphere of Russia for a long time before the Revolution its self. In the years Pre-World War I years before the Revolution there was another attempted Revolution that failed. The Revolution of 1905 that failed although with the Czars existing brutality and oppression helped seal even further discontent him. The Revolution it could be argued was also spurred on by the fact that for the most part Pre-World War I Russia wasnt an industrialized or industrializing nation unlike its counter parts in the West or to the East with Japanese Empire along with a general lack of prosperity in Russia its self which was in part created by the lack of industrialization. This help to further lay the groundwork for Revolution with the poor economic conditions this combination created. The boiling point for popular discontent and Revolution in Russia was reached with Russias entry in the First World War, which proved disastrous for Russia. This along with scarcities, heavy losses and the rapid and increasing gains of the Central Powers in Russia proved that the Czar and Romenov familys rule in Russia days were numbered. The Revolutionaries who would finally topple them were in part assisted by the Central Powers, Especially getting into Russia where they would set about stirring up one of the most far effecting Revolutions the World has ever seen.

 

      In 1917 with the disastrous effects of his personal insistence of his own leadership in World War I, Czar Nicholas II of Russia steps down from the throne and any position of leadership he had and goes into exile with the rest of his family, which would eventually be kidnapped and killed by the Bolsheviks. After this occurs Provisional Government under the leadership of Alexander Kriensky takes power, which was somewhat open at least to democratic ideas. However this government was very weak politically and soon fell to Bolshevik Revolutionaries under the leadership of Vladimir Lenin who along with many of his fellow idealistic Revolutionaries espoused a politicized version of Communism and Socialism unlike the attention of Karl Marx. After taking power Lenin pulled Russia out of World War I and moved to implant many of his ideas. However he was soon faced with a civil insurrection caused by anti-Bolshevik Russian Army officers and political leaders called Whites who were loyal to the Czar and the Royal Family they were supported by the Western Powers along with Japan which would intervene militarily However Lenin and his new Government in Russia would survive and emerge victorious over the Whites.

 

   The Personalities of the Russian Revolution were almost as diverse and powerful as the events surrounding the Revolution its self. Among the Bolshevik Revolutionary leaders that took power in the Revolution was first and foremost Vladimir Lenin who in the whole course of events of the Russian Revolution was both idealistic and out for revenge against the Royal Family which had killed his brother who was also a revolutionary and had exiled him. Another set of characters in the Revolution on the Bolshevik side was the intellectuals among them these included Leon Trotsky who advocated a more outward version of Communism to spread around the world after implementing it in Russia. Another key and crucial in all of this was a Georgian man who had the childhood nickname of Koba; This would be Stalin who was a brutal criminal in profession and at many ways at heart. Who in the years after the Revolution would worm his way to power.

 

   The Russian Revolution would also demonstrate far reach effects across the Globe geopolitically as Communism started to emerge victorious in Russia. This fact created much hype and fear in the West and in some cases justly so. However much of this was paranoia and an intense fear of the spread of Communism with such events such as the 1st Red Scare in the United being at least somewhat linked to the rise of Communism to power in Russia. Also it could be argued that Hitlers Rise in Germany was at least somewhat related to the Russian Revolution as part of Hitlers portrayal of adversaries included the Communist Soviet Union among others. In addition the Cold War that followed can be blamed at least in part on Communism and the effects of this had an effect not only on the history and geopolitics of the 20th Century but the 21st as well.

 

    The Russian Revolution as history shows was an outburst of anger and frustration at a government that did not meet the needs of its people and avoided heeding its opinions and in addition to this oppressing the people they were ignoring. This course of action as history shows would have a major effect on the course of history as the major personalities and events of the 20th Century developed as a result of the Russian Revolution. The Russian Revolution it could also be argued changed the course of World History more so then any Revolution before it even though political Communism for the most part failed in establishing its self as the foremost World ideology or even staying in power in the nation where politicized Communism can into being.



I wrote this for my exam in International Relations.


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Originally posted by Sarmat12

I think that your article is not very accurate Smile


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  Quote Knights Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24-Jan-2008 at 09:51
Originally posted by Sarmat12

I think that your article is not very accurate Smile


For Kevin's benefit, do you think you could provide a justification for your conviction, Sarmat?
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  Quote gcle2003 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24-Jan-2008 at 11:06
There are a couple of errors (as opposed to disputable opinions)
Originally posted by Kevin

The Revolution it could be argued was also spurred on by the fact that for the most part Pre-World War I Russia wasnt an industrialized or industrializing nation unlike its counter parts in the West or to the East with Japanese Empire along with a general lack of prosperity in Russia its self which was in part created by the lack of industrialization.
In the pre-Revolutionary period Russia was industrialising quite fast and catching up on the rest of Europe.
Take a look at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sergei_Witte for instance.
In 1917 with the disastrous effects of his personal insistence of his own leadership in World War I, Czar Nicholas II of Russia steps down from the throne and any position of leadership he had and goes into exile with the rest of his family, which would eventually be kidnapped and killed by the Bolsheviks. After this occurs Provisional Government under the leadership of Alexander Kriensky takes power, which was somewhat open at least to democratic ideas.
The Czar and his family were killed in July 1918, long after Kerensky had lost power. Moreover Kerensky was more than just 'somewhat open' to democratic ideas, he was a pretty confirmed democrat.
 
The grammar and sentence structure could do with tightening up, but that's not a historical matter.
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  Quote Dolphin Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24-Jan-2008 at 11:18
Way to make sure he doesn't post again..
 
It was written for an exam, not a submission, therefore owing to time constraints and not having any source in front of you etc, I think it's a pretty good answer. The two things you pointed out Gcle2003 come down to minor timescale issues and thus would not be deemed as critical a mistake in exam conditions. It's a school exam folks, not a dissertation!
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  Quote Kevin Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24-Jan-2008 at 12:14
Originally posted by gcle2003

There are a couple of errors (as opposed to disputable opinions)
Originally posted by Kevin

The Revolution it could be argued was also spurred on by the fact that for the most part Pre-World War I Russia wasnt an industrialized or industrializing nation unlike its counter parts in the West or to the East with Japanese Empire along with a general lack of prosperity in Russia its self which was in part created by the lack of industrialization.
In the pre-Revolutionary period Russia was industrialising quite fast and catching up on the rest of Europe.
Take a look at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sergei_Witte for instance.
In 1917 with the disastrous effects of his personal insistence of his own leadership in World War I, Czar Nicholas II of Russia steps down from the throne and any position of leadership he had and goes into exile with the rest of his family, which would eventually be kidnapped and killed by the Bolsheviks. After this occurs Provisional Government under the leadership of Alexander Kriensky takes power, which was somewhat open at least to democratic ideas.
The Czar and his family were killed in July 1918, long after Kerensky had lost power. Moreover Kerensky was more than just 'somewhat open' to democratic ideas, he was a pretty confirmed democrat.
 
The grammar and sentence structure could do with tightening up, but that's not a historical matter.


In addition my first error was caused by a lack of time rather then historical knowledge, In addition my second era was a careless mistake caused by a lack of time also. So in total I really didn't have time to also go back and look it over.  
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  Quote Sarmat Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25-Jan-2008 at 02:37
Originally posted by Kevin

   The Revolution of 1905 that failed although with the Czars existing brutality and oppression helped seal even further discontent him.

 
Existing brutality and oppression? The regime of Nichlolas II was more than liberal compare to previous czars.
 
Originally posted by Kevin

The Revolution it could be argued was also spurred on by the fact that for the most part Pre-World War I Russia wasnt an industrialized or industrializing nation unlike its counter parts in the West or to the East with Japanese Empire along with a general lack of prosperity in Russia its self which was in part created by the lack of industrialization. This help to further lay the groundwork for Revolution with the poor economic conditions this combination created.
 
 
Not true. As pointed earlier Russia was industrialized, although not to the extent as Western European countries but it continued to industrialize with impressive speed. Before the war Russian overall economic power was the the fifth after England, US, Germany and France.
 
Originally posted by Kevin

 The boiling point for popular discontent and Revolution in Russia was reached with Russias entry in the First World War, which proved disastrous for Russia. This along with scarcities, heavy losses and the rapid and increasing gains of the Central Powers in Russia proved that the Czar and Romenov familys rule in Russia days were numbered. The Revolutionaries who would finally topple them were in part assisted by the Central Powers, Especially getting into Russia where they would set about stirring up one of the most far effecting Revolutions the World has ever seen.

 This is very disputed. Czar Nicholas II was indeed very unpopular and lacked necessary will when it was required. Instead of standing still he abdicated from the throne which let to the tragedy. In fact the same situation as in February 1917 also existed in autumn 1915. That time Nicholas II had the guts to take army under it's personal command and stop the arising mutinity (1915 was the worst year for Russia in WWI). He however, wasn't determined enought in 1917. Contrary to the popular perseptions the military situation of Russia in February 1917 was more than promising.

Also, besides the central powers, there is evidence that the Allies also were involved in the Russian revolution. Primarily due to the wide rumors that Nicholas II was going to sign the separate truce with Germany. England would prefer to get rid of Nicholas and had some more reliable government in Petrograd. There is also evidence that the assination of Gregory Rasputin,who was a very contoversial figure but had an enormous influence on the czar and in fact was the main protagonist of the peace with Germany, was planned by the British intellegence.
 
 
Originally posted by Kevin

      In 1917 with the disastrous effects of his personal insistence of his own leadership in World War I, Czar Nicholas II of Russia steps down from the throne and any position of leadership he had and goes into exile with the rest of his family, which would eventually be kidnapped and killed by the Bolsheviks.

 
 
He was actually sent to exile to Siberia by the Provisional government. Bolsheviks didn't kidnapped him, after they had taken the power in Petrograd, they simply assumed the control of Nicholas II family from the former authorities. An unknown fact is that the British government refused to accept poor Romanov family in Britain, which eventually let to their terrible death.
 
Originally posted by Kevin

After this occurs Provisional Government under the leadership of Alexander Kriensky takes power, which was somewhat open at least to democratic ideas. However this government was very weak politically and soon fell to Bolshevik Revolutionaries under the leadership of Vladimir Lenin who along with many of his fellow idealistic Revolutionaries espoused a politicized version of Communism and Socialism unlike the attention of Karl Marx. After taking power Lenin pulled Russia out of World War I and moved to implant many of his ideas. However he was soon faced with a civil insurrection caused by anti-Bolshevik Russian Army officers and political leaders called Whites who were loyal to the Czar and the Royal Family they were supported by the Western Powers along with Japan which would intervene militarily However Lenin and his new Government in Russia would survive and emerge victorious over the Whites.

This is complitely incorrect. No Whites supported the Czar. Their main slogan was everywhere to establish democracy and create "Establishing Assembly" which was liguidated by the Bolsheviks, but no one of them didn't even mention the czar. That was the main slogan of all the White leaders Kolchak, Denikin and Vrangel. Actually the big part of whites were other left parties like Esers or Menshviks and many others. Furthermore the support of the Whites by the Western powers is simply a myth. It never took place and was only a declaratory stance. Western powers didn't provide any substantial help to the Whites although they definetely could do it. The thing was that a lot of White leaders didn't accept the independence of the new states born on the ashes of the Russian empire like Finnland, Poland, Georgia etc. Bolsheviks were much more flexible in this regard. They recognized everybody. In the eyes of the Western countries the restoration of the Russian empire (although in democratic form) was more dangerous than the weak (as it seemed at the moment) Bolshevik government.

 
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   Another key and crucial in all of this was a Georgian man who had the childhood nickname of Koba; This would be Stalin who was a brutal criminal in profession and at many ways at heart. Who in the years after the Revolution would worm his way to power.

 
Stalin was neither key nor crucial figure in Revolution. His participation in Revolution was minimum he was simply a dwarf compare to Lenin, Trotsky and even, Radek, Bukharin etc. What he did at that time is loosing several battles to inferior white armies. However, his time came after the revolution and the civil war was over. A clever intrigant he quickly overshadowed Trotsky in the Bolshevik party internal struggle.
However, even after he had taken power, Stalin still remained jealous to those true "revolutionary heroes"; he literally decimated all those people who were truly behind the Bolshvik revolution in 1917 together with Lenin and Trotsky.
 
 

  

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    The Russian Revolution as history shows was an outburst of anger and frustration at a government that did not meet the needs of its people and avoided heeding its opinions and in addition to this oppressing the people they were ignoring. This course of action as history shows would have a major effect on the course of history as the major personalities and events of the 20th



Neither of those. Russian revolution was an unusual combination of lucky coincidences with ignorance and lack of common sense.



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Originally posted by Kevin

Originally posted by gcle2003

There are a couple of errors (as opposed to disputable opinions)
Originally posted by Kevin

The Revolution it could be argued was also spurred on by the fact that for the most part Pre-World War I Russia wasnt an industrialized or industrializing nation unlike its counter parts in the West or to the East with Japanese Empire along with a general lack of prosperity in Russia its self which was in part created by the lack of industrialization.
In the pre-Revolutionary period Russia was industrialising quite fast and catching up on the rest of Europe.
Take a look at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sergei_Witte for instance.
In 1917 with the disastrous effects of his personal insistence of his own leadership in World War I, Czar Nicholas II of Russia steps down from the throne and any position of leadership he had and goes into exile with the rest of his family, which would eventually be kidnapped and killed by the Bolsheviks. After this occurs Provisional Government under the leadership of Alexander Kriensky takes power, which was somewhat open at least to democratic ideas.
The Czar and his family were killed in July 1918, long after Kerensky had lost power. Moreover Kerensky was more than just 'somewhat open' to democratic ideas, he was a pretty confirmed democrat.
 
The grammar and sentence structure could do with tightening up, but that's not a historical matter.


In addition my first error was caused by a lack of time rather then historical knowledge, In addition my second era was a careless mistake caused by a lack of time also. So in total I really didn't have time to also go back and look it over.  


I didn't write this under the best conditions and really didn't have time to think and look it over, However I try.
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  Quote gcle2003 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25-Jan-2008 at 11:20
 
Originally posted by Kevin

In addition my first error was caused by a lack of time rather then historical knowledge, In addition my second era was a careless mistake caused by a lack of time also. So in total I really didn't have time to also go back and look it over.  
 
I hadn't realised what you meant by 'for my exam', and that it was written under timed conditions with no sources available.
 
Nonetheless, I was responding to
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For Kevin's benefit, do you think you could provide a justification for your conviction, Sarmat?
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Originally posted by Kevin

Originally posted by Sarmat12

I think that your article is not very accurate Smile

What do you mean?
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If you didn't want any inaccuracies pointed out, why post it in the first place?
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  Quote Dolphin Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25-Jan-2008 at 11:23
 Maybe he thought it was good and now thinks he has done badly in the exam and it has ruined his day..Constructive critisicm (Sarmat!), instead on total annihilation, would have been more appropriate, even if there are inaccuracies in the answer. Thought a thought, i'll go right back into my box now..
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  Quote Kevin Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25-Jan-2008 at 16:43
Originally posted by Dolphin

 Maybe he thought it was good and now thinks he has done badly in the exam and it has ruined his day..Constructive critisicm (Sarmat!), instead on total annihilation, would have been more appropriate, even if there are inaccuracies in the answer. Thought a thought, i'll go right back into my box now..


That is what happened.
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  Quote Sarmat Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25-Jan-2008 at 17:03
Kevin, don't worry Smile
 
In fact you presented the classical view of the October revolution as described in the Soviet Sources. Unfortunately, most of the Western sources on this matter, although surpsingly, do in fact rely on the "good, old" Soviet sources.
 
Some of these typical Soviet "historical" myths are as follows:
 
Russia was extremely backward before the Revolution
Czar Nicholas II was an unusually cruel buthcher of proletariat
Whites fought for the restoration of Monarchy
Huge foreign intervention happened during the Revolution, Whites enjoyed and enormous support of foreign powers
Stalin played a very important role in the Revolution (in fact this myth was invented by Stalin himself, but for some reasons was repeated in the later Soviet historial scholarship)
 
In order, to come up with the conclusions I presented in my previous post a more in depth research should be done.
 
So, all depends on the sources which were used in your class or may be  used while evaluating your exam.
 
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  Quote Seko Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25-Jan-2008 at 17:22
All very helpful input Kevin even though the critical criticism may have ruffled some of your feathers. Look at Sarmat12's constructive remarks as a scholarly review coming from a peer.
 
btw- for a timed constrained essay you did a comendable job. For your class you might even receive an A-, but here on the "balls out" interaction of AE you get a passing grade instead.  Smile


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All very helpful input Kevin even though the critical criticism may have ruffled some of your feathers. Look at Sarmat12's constructive remarks as a scholarly review coming from a peer.
 
btw- for a timed constrained essay you did a comendable job. For you class you might even receive an A-, but here on the "balls out" interaction of AE you get a passing grade instead.  Smile


Ok thank you, I'm glad I did ok even though it wasn't under ideal conditions.
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  Quote Temujin Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25-Jan-2008 at 20:56
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Furthermore the support of the Whites by the Western powers is simply a myth. It never took place and was only a declaratory stance. Western powers didn't provide any substantial help to the Whites although they definetely could do it.


i don't know if i can completely agree, look at how many tanks and armoured cars were provided by the Entente forces. other than that, Entente support was rather minimal, i agree.
 
What he did at that time is loosing several battles to inferior white armies.


mmh, i think you do some injustice to Stalin. wasn't he in charge of Zaryzin, later called Stalingrad? Cossack armies tried several times to take the city and failed, for which it got the nickname Verdun of the east. in the end they conquered it though and Stalin was afaik not the militarical commander in charge.
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  Quote Sarmat Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26-Jan-2008 at 03:57
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i don't know if i can completely agree, look at how many tanks and armoured cars were provided by the Entente forces. other than that, Entente support was rather minimal, i agree.
 
Yes they did provided the tanks but with numerous defects and without enough gas, which meant that they were useless. The weapons which the Allies provided to Whites were mostly unsuitable, defective etc. Besides, they made poor White commanders to pay with all the limited assets they had.
 
Originally posted by Temujin



mmh, i think you do some injustice to Stalin. wasn't he in charge of Zaryzin, later called Stalingrad? Cossack armies tried several times to take the city and failed, for which it got the nickname Verdun of the east. in the end they conquered it though and Stalin was afaik not the militarical commander in charge.
 
Yes, Stalin was in charge of this city, which holded for some time, but still was taken by the white forces with inferior numbers and firepower. Not so stunning achievement. Isn't it?  Smile
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Kevin, I have to say I am so ashamed of you for letting us test-takers down for writing this essay. There are so many ugly and terrible mistakes that I have to stop drinking coffee and soda in order to stop myself from having the blood pressure of a fat 60 yr old man. Thats how bad this essay is.

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