Rosetta Stone-Decoding the Demotic Text

Originally posted by Petro Invictus I have checked the British Museum and they offer a translation of the Rosetta Hierogliphyc and Greek texts. The Demotic is negleckted! There are attmepts to translate it but no-one has managed to give a full translation of it! That was my primary focus!

A.I. Sylvestre was the first man to decypher it in the 19th century. I mentioned it before.

There is a wide range of identified texts in demotic and in that list the Rosetta stone is amongst them: http://oi.uchicago.edu/OI/DEPT/RA/ABZU/DEMOTIC_WWW.HTML

Note again...If the middle text was not decyphered, then the rest of the texts would not have been decyphered as well since the rosseta stone was the first billingual finding that helped the historians to get a grip on the egyptian language.

Originally posted by Petro Invictus In 1814, the Briton Thomas Young finished translating the enchorial (demotic) text, and began work on the hieroglyphic script. From 1822 to 1824, Jean-Fran�ois Champollion greatly expanded on this work, and he is known as the translator of the Rosetta Stone. Please note the difference between the demotic Koine and Demotic Egyptian!

What are you talking about? Demotic Koine?

The hierogliphs were decoded on the base of the Greek text not the Demotic text. The Coptic was used to give sounding to the hieroglyphs. The Demotic script has been used with many langauges as it is with Latin today.

Yes demotic Koine! As opposed to Demotic (with a capital D) for the Egyptian! The koine Greek was considered as demotic (of the people) as well.

Originally posted by Petro Invictus Yes demotic Koine! As opposed to Demotic (with a capital D) for the Egyptian! The koine Greek was considered as demotic (of the people) as well.

Ok, the Koine signifies the same thing actually. Anyway, in other posts you said koine was for the Elite only. Now you revert this in your statement and make it "of the people".

Did you see the text where the egyptian demotic is actually translated?

The italicas are just bits of the text and it doesn't say they were used from the Demotic text!

Tentov and Boshevski on the other hand have translated most of the Demotic text and it is very rich and more detailed than even this version you posted here!

I am not reverting it! The official Greek science classifies the Koine Greek as demotic. I insist on seeing it as the language of the elite! Or administrativ language of the ancient world, like English today!

Edited by Petro Invictus - 24-Nov-2007 at 16:05

Originally posted by Petro Invictus I am not reverting it! The official Greek science classifies the Koine Greek as demotic. I insist on seeing it as the language of the elite! Or administrativ language of the ancient world, like English today!

Official Greek science? Is there such thing? No, it is the world history community that classifies Koine as "demotic". Koine means "common". As I said somewhere else, if coine was for the elite then it would not have been used in theatrical works where common people attended and not only the elite. The dedications of common people would not be eather in Koine. Furthermore, you can see that non native speakers make breathing mistakes (e.g Syria) when writting while Macedonians and the rest of the Greeks don't.

Obviously the same happens today. Even though my english is good, both written and pronounced, I'm sure i'm doing mistakes a native speaker won't do.


Edited by Flipper - 24-Nov-2007 at 16:24

Here's how demotic is read:




Here is the demotic dictionary from the Oriental Institute:

http://oi.uchicago.edu/research/projects/dem/


Edited by Flipper - 24-Nov-2007 at 16:44

Koine (Κοινή), Greek for "common", is a term which had been previously applied by ancient scholars to several forms of Greek speech. A school of scholars such as Apollonius Dyscolus and Aelius Herodianus maintained the term Koine to refer to the Proto-Greek language, while others would use it to refer to any vernacular form of Greek speech which differed from the literary language[1]. When Koine gradually became a language of literature, some people distinguished it in two forms: Hellenic (Greek) as the literary post-Classic form, and Koine (common) as the spoken popular form[1]. Others chose to refer to Koine as the Alexandrian dialect (Περὶ τῆς Ἀλεξανδρέων διαλέκτου), meaning the dialect of Alexandria (a term often used by modern Classicists).

This is what the official science says about Koine!

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