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    Posted: 23-Nov-2007 at 21:32
CRACKING THE DEMOTIC TEXT:

The research work of the two scientists Tentov and Bosheski brought forth an interesting issue. Apparently, they managed to decode the middle text from the Rosetta Stone (commonly treated as demotic), using the same approach that the French used to decode the Egyptian hieroglyphs from the first text.



The French used Coptic to decode the language of the Pharaohs, as the closest link to the ancient Egyptians, and our scientists used Macedonian as the closest logical link to the language of the living masters of that time. We know that the Pharaoh that erected the stone was Ptolemy V. Why shouldn't he write a decree in his own language? The fact that the two scientists could determine not only the script, but the phonetics as well, and match it to the modern Macedonian language, shows that the ancient Macedonians, were not illiterate barbarians, but a nation with its own language and script that was in use further, besides the fierce attempt of the Roman policy to erase everything that was of Macedonian glory and thus overate it. Apparently, the Romans were proud conquerers that believed that the world started with them. It is widely known of the ravaging they did over Macedonian population and wealth, scattering it throughout the empire (both people and goods). They were systematically eradicating all signs of Alexander's empire, while ironically following his steps, thus hoping to proclaim themselves as rightful heirs of the Macedonian empire.The fact that the language was almost the same in those times, as it is today, points out that maybe what we know as Slavic in the middle ages is actually the language of the tribes of ancient Macedon. Maybe the migration of the Slavic tribes never took place. They might have never come from behind the Carpathian mountains. They might have migrated from the Balkans to the steppes. This is what archeology points at. The founding of Sindidun (Belgrade today), emerges after the peace agreed between the Celts and the Macedonians in the 4th century BC. (Read the Druid of Sindidun, Vladislav Bajac)

This may go even further: Russian royalty takes its roots from Alexander the Great. (via the Byzantine Order of the Holy Tomb)

Or: The Byzantine empire was the true heir of the Alexander's Empire. Not the West Roman Thanks to Czar Constantine and Elena his mother who was from Naissus (Nish today).

Or: The language that we call Greek today is actually the Esperanto of the ancient world, created by linguists on the basis of 40 languages using the Greek script. It is very different from the earlier Ionic and Doric dialects. This Esperanto in those times was called "Alexandrian" because this city was the center of the Empire. So, the Greek from the Bible is actually this Alexandrian, and the Greek from Byzantium was also an upgraded form of the Alexandrian dialect. The final upgrading of this form of language was done in the 18th and 19th centuries and we have its modern form known as Greek today.

Or: Cyril and Methodius never invented a knew script! They revised the ancient morphemic symbols and upgraded the writing system of the ancient Macedonians. The Glagollic script was political, while the Cyrillic a true revision of the ancient letters. That is why the glagollic was so easily replaced by the new cyrillic.

There are many approaches that need revision.

I hope the world will take notice.


Prof. A.Tentov:

“Translation or transliteration of the Demotic text in terms of reading syllable by syllable (sign by sign) has not been achieved as yet by anyone. What has been done so far is a series of attempts based on a supposition that the Demotic text is identical both in content and the composition of sentences (and words) with the other two texts. However, considering the fact that we are talking about two texts (if we take the ancient Greek and the Demotic for example) on two very different languages (even if we believe it was ancient Greek (or Danaian) and the Egyptian,) IT IS VIRTUALLY IMPOSSIBLE to claim that the composition of sentences and the word order is identical. It is nonsense to claim that!

To the contrary, our methodology has enabled us to read whole lines of the text as well as sentences, and we have reached very logical results – the content of the Demotic text is the same as the other two, but the composition of the sentences and the word order differs a lot. Moreover, in certain sentences we have found examples of various ways of addressing the different nations in accordance to their religious beliefs and their Pantheon of Gods.”

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23-Nov-2007 at 21:36
extract from a correspondence on this issue:

As a linguist myself I make a clear distinction between a LANGUAGE and a SCRIPT. For example, the Latin script today is in use by many languages such as: Polish, English, Spanish... And many times languages have used different scripts, like in Yugoslavia we had both the Latin and the Cyrillic script (mind you, the Cyrillic of the Serbian varies from that of the Macedonian language). The most dominant script in use today in the world is the Latin. Say, after 2000 years if they dig this text out, they would probably say that we were English and even if I write something like:"nemu komu bogove divejej" it would be considered as a strange new group of terms in the English of the 21st century, that
they would call the Demotic English, spoken by the "common" people.

That is how "common" or Demotic our modern Macedonian and I guess our modern Greek would sound to those of beyond 4000AD.

Well, the Demotic, with capital D, is a SCRIPT, and this is what Wikipedia says about it:"The Demotic script was referred to by the Egyptians as sš n šˁ.t "document
writing", which the Second century scholar Clement of Alexandria called ἐπιστολογραφική "letter writing," while early Western scholars formerly referred to it as Enchorial Egyptian. The script was used for more than a thousand years, and during that time a number of developmental stages occurred."(quote finished)This "letter writing" meant that they didn't have signs for vowels, so the "letters", the consonants, were
receiving a sound based on the position of the "letter". There are symmetrical and asymmetrical signs in the Demotic script and there are more then 7 that have been deciphered by our respected Academics, Prof.Dr. Tome Boshevski and Prof. Aristotel Tentov. As their research
proves it, this Demotic script which has been in use in Egypt since the 26th dynasty, some 600 years BC, was further developed in other uses by other conquerors of Egypt. The Persians were next on line to use the Demotic script for their administrative purpose:"Early Demotic
(often referred to by the German term Frhdemotisch) developed in Lower Egypt during the later part of the 25th Dynasty, particularly on stelae from the Serapeum at Saqqara. It is generally dated between 650 and 400
BC as most texts written in Early Demotic are dated to the 26th Dynasty and the following Persian period (the 27th Dynasty). After the reunification of Egypt under Psametik I, Demotic replaced Abnormal Hieratic in Upper Egypt, particularly during the reign of Amasis when it became the official administrative and legal SCRIPT. During this period, Demotic was used only for administrative, legal, and commercial texts, while hieroglyphs and hieratic were reserved for other texts."Later when the Macedonians conquered Egypt, the use of the Demotic script gained a new form:"Middle Demotic (circa 400–30 BC) is the stage of writing used during the Ptolemaic Period. From the fourth century BC onwards, Demotic held a higher status, as may be seen from its increasing use for literary and religious texts. By the end of the third century BC, Greek Koine was more important as it was the administrative language of the country; Demotic contracts lost most of their legal force unless there was a note in Greek of being registered with the authorities."
Again here we are talking about the SCRIPT, not a Demotic language. So the Coptic language must have used this script in those times, as well as other languages like the Persian, as we saw before, and I guess the
Macedonian as well. As for the "Greek" Koine, we'll see. There is another story to tell there.Now, the work of the two academics from the Republic of Macedonia, point at yet another possibility.

Let us focus on the 7 symbols from the Demotic SCRIPT, not the Coptic language, because it doesn't mean that the Demotic Script was used with the Coptic language at that time. It was used with the Persian language before. The 7 symbols from the Demotic script that we are talking about here, are those symbols that have survived in the contemporary Coptic script as well,(or at least the Coptic script of the 18th century) and served the French scientist to decipher the Hieroglyphs. So they used the Coptic, both script and language, of the time to help decipher and read the Egyptian hieroglyphs. Boshevski and Tentov managed to decode almost 25 symbols for consonants and a smaller number of pictographs too. If you teach yourself to their system, and read the
middle text of the Rosetta stone with the Demotic script, you would come across phases like: "nemu komu bogove divejej". Amazingly all these words can be understood by the modern-day speaker of Macedonian.
They mean:"to whom the gods admire", and it is title given to Ptolemy of Macedonian descent, coming from the region of modern-day Bitola, in the Republic of Macedonia. The words from the middle text of the
Rosetta stone have not been deciphered by any other Demotists yet.

There were attempts, some even ridiculous, but this sounds plausible. If Egypt was ruled by the Macedonians at that time, why wouldn't they use their own words with the available script to at least honor the title they carried, after all they were the rulers. And could it be that those words, might have survived somehow in the modern day Slavic Macedonian?

How I wonder?

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about Egyptian scripts:


Eventually the most cursive form of Hieratic became the Demotic which gives no hint of its Hieroglyphic origin. By 600 BCE, the Hieratic, which was used to write documents on papyri, was retained only for religious writing. The Demotic became the every-day script, used for accounting, writing down literature, writings, etc. The following Demotic inscription is from the famous Rosetta Stone:

http://www.ancientscripts.com/egyptian.html

It bears NO RESEMBLANCE whatsoever to the hieroglyphic script. In fact, it is so cursive that it resembles more like the Aramaic scripts used around the Fertile Crescent at this time.

The last Egyptian inscription dates from the 5th century CE. By this time, Coptic, a Greek-based alphabet with some demotic signs, became the primary writing system used in Egypt.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23-Nov-2007 at 21:49
This is an extract from a translation of the Greek text from the Rosetta stone:

"This decree shall be inscribed on a stela of hard stone in sacred and NATIVE and Greek characters".

This is what the British Museum translated from the original Greek text of the Rosetta stone:

and the decree should be written on a stela of hard stone, in sacred writing, DOCUMENT writing (!?!), and Greek writing, and it should be set up in the first-class temples, the second-class temples and the third-class temples, next to the statue of the King, living forever.
Translation by R.S. Simpson
Revised version from R.S. Simpson, Demotic Grammar in the Ptolemaic Sacerdotal Decrees (Oxford, Griffith Institute, 1996), pp. 258-71
The BRITISH MUSEUM's website:
http://www.britishmuseum.org/explore/highlights...

On the other hand if you check p.40 of this document:

http://www.exploringmacedonia.com/wbstorage/Files/Roseta_Stone-26-2-2005-Boshevski-Tentov-english.pdf

You can see that in the Demotic text the words that were used by the "natives", were actually these:(I will write this with the English script so that you can read it, however it may not have any meaning to you as yet. The star* represents the "schwa" of the English as in "bird", "flirt", "hurt". The arrow^ after Z^, reads like in "television", "pleasure", "treasure".)
"B*de na shi navezene moi naz*ve gospodalto igje moi naz*v* gospodalto, moi naz^eve gospodalta na danaive nareitsa v*v shi tsato."
In modern Macedonian:
"Da bide na kamen(shi) navezeno" means "to be on stone written". Only "KAMEN" is different even thou "SHI" exists in some dialects even today.
Then: "gospodalto" has survived in modern day Macedonian as well, and we have "gospodari" meaning "masters" today. It is almost the same phonemic structure that we use today. This is of course if you read the Demotic text with the instructions given previously (asymmetrical and symmetrical and pictographs).
Then: in modern Macedonian "moite zivi gospodari" for "moi naz^eve gospodalta" from the Demotic text, meaning: "the Living Masters"
Then: for "na danaive nareitsa v*v shi tsato", in modern Macedonian we have: " na danajcive narecjeto vo kamen tv*rd", meaning "in the dialect of the Danainas in a hard stone".

There is a strong resemblance between the two forms! Ancient and Modern Macedonian! What is in hiding here?




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The attempt of these pseudo-scientists (they are not have not a any single connection with the epigraphology or the linguistic) to connect the modern  Slavonic Macedonian - a Slavic language related to Bulgarian - is rediculus. These 2 university professors in electrical engineering from Skopje, operating under the auspices of the government funded Faculty of Electrical Engineering in Skopje and presented to the official FYROMacedonian Academy of Sciences and Arts, are claiming that the "Demotic" script is, in fact, a text related to the "old Slavonic Macedonian language" and is Ancient Macedonian.
This contradicts all mainstream interpretations of the Stone and the mainstream scientific evidence that Ancient Macedonian was not a Slavic language and, not least, that Slavic speaking peoples did not reach the Balkan peninsula until the 6th Century CE.  This theory is also promoted by the authorities and church in Skopje as a "2,200 Years Old Script and Text in the Macedonian Language".
 
The Rosetta Stone is a stone with writing on it in two languages (Egyptian and Greek), using three scripts (hieroglyphic, demotic and Greek).
 
Rosetta Stone is written in three scripts because when it was written, there were three scripts being used in Egypt.

The first was hieroglyphic which was the script used for important or religious documents.

The second was demotic which was the common script of Egypt.
 
The third was Greek which was the language of the rulers of Egypt at that time.

The Rosetta Stone was written in all three scripts so that the priests, government officials and rulers of Egypt could read what it said. Here is the last translation of Rosetta Stone that approve the above...

53. and each year; and in order to make those who are in Egypt to know [why it is that the Egyptians pay honouras it is most right and proper to doto the god who maketh himself beautiful, whose deeds are beautiful, the priests have decreed] that this DECREE shall [be inscribed] upon a stele of hard stone in the writing of the words of the gods, and the writing of the books, and in the writing of HAUI-NEBUI (i.e., Greeks), and it shall be set up in the sanctuaries in the temples which [are called] by his name, of the first, second, and third [class], near the statue of the HORUS, the King of the South and North Ptolemy, ever-living, beloved of Ptaḥ, the god who maketh himself manifest, whose deeds are beautiful.
 
 
 
This pseudo-essay from these "amazing professors" is a great example of the  Macedonism,  a political ultra-nationalistic moovement  used to refer to a set of ideas regarded as characteristic of ethnic Slavmacedonian  nationalism. In my blog I have already explain as about this nationalist  ideology and you can read here
 


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24-Nov-2007 at 11:49
This is even shown on their national tv channel: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wad1uP191Ns

However, it seems that they are doing that by themselves since the govenment wont help them and wont verify their statements.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24-Nov-2007 at 12:12
Originally posted by Flipper

This is even shown on their national tv channel: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wad1uP191Ns

However, it seems that they are doing that by themselves since the govenment wont help them and wont verify their statements.
Nope Flipper. I disagree.
Look the web site that host this pseudo-scientific Macedonist essay.
 
 
Is from the University of Skopje and as you know this University is funded and monitor from the FYROM government.


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FYROM is blacklisted guys.

If anything that can be debated, is the evidence or lack there of put forth, just stay clear of the politics 
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The Rosetta Stone is a stone with writing on it in two languages (Egyptian and Greek), using three scripts (hieroglyphic, demotic and Greek).

Rosetta Stone is written in three scripts because when it was written, there were three scripts being used in Egypt.

The first was hieroglyphic which was the script used for important or religious documents.
The second was demotic which was the common script of Egypt.

The third was Greek which was the language of the rulers of Egypt at that time.


The Demotic script has not been decoded yet, because it is not used with the Egyptian, or Coptic as you may call it.

It was used with the langauge of the Living Masters, that is what it says when you read it with the instructions given by the research of the two Macedonian scientists.

I am sorry if this shakes the ground for the Greek propaganda a bit, but it is a fact and one cannot look aside if one considers him/herself a scientist.

The common Egyptian at that time was already oppressed by the Persians from before. The Hieroglyphs were still in use with the Egyptian langauge, or the Coptic as it was known later on. But the Demotic was in use by the Persian rulers and the Macedonian rulers. The Greek script was intended for the Danaians, or those who used the Koine as the language of officeal correspondence.

FYROM does not exist. It is Republic of Macedonia, recognized as such by more than 120 memebers of the UN. So please do not offend me in such a way. This name dispute with Greece is an insane political fiasco and historyhas nothing to do with it.

I do not want to be offensive but how would it sound to the Serbains if we called them Former Yugoslav Republic of Serbia, or to Greeks if we used Former Ottoman Republic of Greece.

Leave this issue to politics. Let us debate history here, please.



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The misconception rises whith the two languages and three scripts. Why two scripts for a single Egyptian langauge?

The translation of the Demotic text points at this possibility: that there were three langauges, one the Egyptian written in the Sacred script, second the langauge of the Living Masters written with the Demotic script, and third the langauge of the Danaians written with the Greek script.

There are misconceptions about the Greek Koine as well. It is also refered to as demotic or the langauge of the common people, and we know that it was totally the oposit. Koine was the language of the 'elite', used for administrative purposes in the whole of the ancient world, it wasn't a script or language that belonged to the ethnic Greek tribes, as it is the case today. It was rather used by many parties. Romans use it, and the Macedoninas as well! The common people could not understand it. The proof is in the works of Quintus Curtis Rufus. He describes the trial of Alexander's friend Philotas and mentions that Philotas decided to be interrogated in Koine, and no his own mother tongue, which was seen as an act of treason by the Macedonians.

So history of langauges and scripts is a bit ambiguous due to the political developments of mroe recent times. However, science should look at these issues from a more objective point of view and not let politics influence the research.   


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Originally posted by Leonidas

FYROM is blacklisted guys.

If anything that can be debated, is the evidence or lack there of put forth, just stay clear of the politics 
Yes we know but the starter of this thread forgets to mention the initial source of this pseudo-essay. Is the FYROM Skopje of University.
And for the story is good to know who and what is behind of these falsificated essays that make our world bad and worst.


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I checked the blacklisted issues and it sort of struck me as unfair!

I wonder why is it so strange for young countries such as Macedonia, Armenia and others to conduct researches in history and reveal new evidence that might help everyone gain a better perspective on historical developments. After all we are aware of the historical truth represented by the winner only!

How about taking a different perspective and hear the story of the oppressed for a change?

This research has a strong argument and it fills a gap in the history of the Mediterrannean people. I insist on debating it publicly without any restraints, and with respect to the histories represented by the other modern nations in this region.


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The translation of the Demotic text points at this possibility: that there were three langauges, one the Egyptian written in the Sacred script, second the langauge of the Living Masters written with the Demotic script, and third the langauge of the Danaians written with the Greek script. 
 
Nowhere  mention the word Danaian in Rosetta  as the two wannabe professors claim. Reminds afrocentrist falsifications!!!
 
In Egypt Demotic mention the word HAUI-NEBUI ...the rulers
 
and in the Ruler  language (3nd) mention....
 
 
 
mean....Greek .....!!!!
 
The Inferiority complex of these FYROM proffesors  is without end!!
 
 


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The Rosetta Stone was written in all three scripts so that the priests, government officials and rulers of Egypt could read what it said. Here is the last translation of Rosetta Stone that approve the above...
53. and each year; and in order to make those who are in Egypt to know [why it is that the Egyptians pay honour—as it is most right and proper to do—to the god who maketh himself beautiful, whose deeds are beautiful, the priests have decreed] that this DECREE shall [be inscribed] upon a stele of hard stone in the writing of the words of the gods, and the writing of the books, and in the writing of HAUI-NEBUI (i.e., Greeks), and it shall be set up in the sanctuaries in the temples which [are called] by his name, of the first, second, and third [class], near the statue of the HORUS, the King of the South and North Ptolemy, ever-living, beloved of Ptaḥ, the god who maketh himself manifest, whose deeds are beautiful.

from The Nile, Notes for Travellers in Egypt, by E. A. Wallis Budge, 9th Edition, London, Thos. Cook and Son, [1905], pp. 199-211.


This is a translation of the Hieroglyphic text. Read well and do not create confusion:

"TRANSLATION OF THE HIEROGLYPHIC TEXT OF THE DECREE OF THE PRIESTS OF MEMPHIS, AS FOUND ON THE ROSETTA STONE 1 AND ON THE STELE OF DAMANHR. THE DECREE WAS PROMULGATED IN THE 9TH YEAR OF THE REIGN OF PTOLEMY V. EPIPHANES."

We are discussing the DECODING OF THE MIDDLE (DEMOTIC) TEXT HERE!

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Originally posted by Petro Invictus

I checked the blacklisted issues and it sort of struck me as unfair!

I wonder why is it so strange for young countries such as Macedonia, Armenia and others to conduct researches in history and reveal new evidence that might help everyone gain a better perspective on historical developments. After all we are aware of the historical truth represented by the winner only!

How about taking a different perspective and hear the story of the oppressed for a change?

This research has a strong argument and it fills a gap in the history of the Mediterrannean people. I insist on debating it publicly without any restraints, and with respect to the histories represented by the other modern nations in this region.
 
 
Then you will do it someplace else, as debating that subject here will get you banned in a heartbeat.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24-Nov-2007 at 14:01
Have you checked the work ot the two respected scientists? And please keep insult away from this forum!

It doesn't say Danaian or Danaan in the other two texts, but it says in the middle text. The Demotic text was the original, as affirmed by the French and British scientists who worked on the first translations of the texts. The Demotic text is much more detailed than the other two texts.

I suggest you study the issue closely before you post any more insulting replies!!!


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24-Nov-2007 at 14:02
Why don't you study the research and then debate with arguments!


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24-Nov-2007 at 14:06
The middle text with the Demotic script has not been translated yet! The work of the two academics from the Republic of Macedonia is a recent study in this area, and it is worth taking a look if history means somthing to you!

The Demotic script on the other hand has been used with other languages as it is the case with Latin today! It can be traced as far as Russia in the 10th century.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24-Nov-2007 at 14:14
The middle text has inscription that if read well sounds like this (in original pronunciation): "nemu komu bogove divejej", in modern Macedonian:"nemu komu bogovite mu se diveat", meaning "whom the Gods admire".



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24-Nov-2007 at 14:18
Originally posted by Petro Invictus

The middle text with the Demotic script has not been translated yet! The work of the two academics from the Republic of Macedonia is a recent study in this area, and it is worth taking a look if history means somthing to you!

The Demotic script on the other hand has been used with other languages as it is the case with Latin today! It can be traced as far as Russia in the 10th century.


The discovery of the Stone was not made public until September 1799, in an article printed in the Courrier de l'Egypte. It was shipped to Cairo in mid-August, and became an object of study at the Institute. Jean-Joseph Marcel and Remi Raige were able to identify the unknown cursive script, Demotic, but they were unable to read it. Copies of the scripts were made by the lithographers Marcel and A. Galland, who covered the Stone's surface with printer's ink and lay sheets of paper over it and used rollers to obtain an impression. Several sheets were sent to scholars throughout Europe, and two copies were presented to citizen Du Theil of the Institute Nationale de Paris by General Charles-Franois-Joseph Dugua (former Commandant of Cairo) on his return from Egypt. A French translation of the text was made by Du Theil, revealing that the Stone "was a monument to the gratitude of some priests of Alexandria, or some neighboring place, towards Ptolemy Epiphanes." A Latin translation was made in 1801, and English in 1802. In 1802, a French Orientalist, A.I. Sylvestre de Sacy began to decipher the Demotic text. Equivalents for proper names found in the Greek section were identified in Demotic.

It seems your "Scientists" are not aware of the decipherment made for almost 200 years ago.

For further reading: Andrews, Carol. The Rosetta Stone British Museum Press, London, 1981




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