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    Posted: 13-Mar-2005 at 20:19

It's already posted here that Xiongnu means "Ferocious Slaves" in Modern/Mandarin Chinese. However, the character Xiong was pronounced as "Hong" in Ancient Chinese so the name was Hongnu (Hung-nu in Wade-Giles transcription), which must have been a Chinese transcription/corruption of the name Hun/Khun/Qun.

it is still pronouced as hon in modern cantonese.

doesn't matter what it sounds like cause all chinese dialects are the same in writing. the word "xiong" means "ferocious" it sounds hong in cantonese, xiong in mandarin but it's the same character with the same meaning.

some say ancient chinese actually spoke cantonese in court other than mandarin.



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That's exactly what I was saying.  Ancient Chinese didn't speak Mandarin, they spoke a dialect closer to the southern ones, where Xiong, is pronounced "Hun" or something to that extent.  
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That's exactly what I was saying.  Ancient Chinese didn't speak Mandarin, they spoke a dialect closer to the southern ones, where Xiong, is pronounced "Hun" or something to that extent.  

to be more precise, it's "hown".
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It's already posted here that Xiongnu means "Ferocious Slaves" in Modern/Mandarin Chinese. However, the character Xiong was pronounced as "Hong" in Ancient Chinese so the name was Hongnu (Hung-nu in Wade-Giles transcription), which must have been a Chinese transcription/corruption of the name Hun/Khun/Qun.


However, Hungarians are/were not the Huns, which shows why you can't rely on simple pronunciation to prove association.
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However, Hungarians are/were not the Huns, which shows why you can't rely on simple pronunciation to prove association.

i was under an impression that the hungarians are descendants of attila, the huns.

if not, who were their ancestors?



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Most are of Magyar descent.

The term Hungarian comes from corruption of "Onogur". When the Magyars invaded, some mistakenly thought they were Huns, and merged that term into Onogur, another nomadic group.
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Originally posted by Imperator Invictus


However, Hungarians are/were not the Huns, which shows why you can't rely on simple pronunciation to prove association.

yes but it's not what they called themselves, nor what their neighbours called them like.
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Posts: 370 		  Quote HulaguHan Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16-Mar-2005 at 20:15

Originally posted by Imperator Invictus

Most are of Magyar descent.

The term Hungarian comes from corruption of "Onogur". When the Magyars invaded, some mistakenly thought they were Huns, and merged that term into Onogur, another nomadic group.

This is an excellent knowledge Imperator, even many Turkish historians fail in this issue. Man I am greatly impressed by your knowledge.

Likewise he said, Hungary is a modification/change of Onogur...
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