Why Have Muslims Been Hated in The West?

In my opinion there is nothing wrong with terrorism. It's just one way to wage war. And in war there are no rules (read Clausewits and you will understand what I mean). Terrorists kill innocent civilians but so do the US Air force bombers. Finnish army guerilla forces are trained to use similar tactics to many terrorists. Terrorism is just a sort of a guerillawar. War is always horrible. Women and children will die in every war. If we think the US war against terrorism: Few thousand civilians have been killed by terrorists, tens of thousands of Iraqian civilians died in US bombings. Totally innocent civilians. Only reason because we are afraid of muslims is our own arrogance and ignorance of what happens around us.

No one really cares about rules in war. Say me a war where Geneve pact has been honoured?

Fear is strong weapon and used correctly can win wars. It really doesn't matter are you killed by enemy aircraft meant to destroy facility or suicide bomber, you are dead! Of course terrorism is cowardly but it's effective and that's all that matters in war. War is never fair and you are childish if you think that there is such things as "right" or "wrong" in war. War is always wrong but if it happens then forget morality. Terrorism is war of the weak versus strong. Poor terrorists can't buy tanks so they have to improvise. Using "dirty tricks" to achieve something is ok for me. Another thing is mindless killing without purpose.

And what comes to Finnish j�gers, Finnish guerillas ("sissis") are not same troops. Of course there is nowhere mentioning about attacking civilians but what are those "soft targets on enemy country" that can be attacked?

Thanks. Very well put. But this is the problem of so called democracies of western countries. They are ruled, derived and manipulated by media. 

"Killing innocent western women and children". What kind of mentality is this? What Muslim terrorists killed any Europeans? or the problem is between Arab Muslims and America / Israel?

How can you distort the facts? Did you became so blind that you could not even see that "Muslim terrorism" has come to agenda after cold war and after September the 11th. If there is a problem in Islam as you have put the issue so what about during and before cold war?

It seems like Americans and Israelis would become successful in distorting the target. This is a clear propaganda. They are trying to find allies to themselves and they have successfully put the issue as "western Christianity against Islam". This will be also a justification for further attacks to Syria and Iran. Sorry but if Europeans are so blind there is nothing to say more. By creating a tension Americans are also playing with internal social balances of some countries such as France containing high number of Muslims. (Just remind the American reactions to France about Iraq issue. So that it would be easy to take them in the same line with American and Israel politics).

Dear Styborn most Swedish people were supporting PKK terrorists in Turkey who were killing innocent Turkish villagers including children and women. You were calling them "freedom fighters".  What happened to you? You have clearly double standards. I hope you can save yourself from Nazi like Swedish state propaganda mechanism. 

I am repeating my question. What Muslim terrorists killed Europeans?

Ever since the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan, moslem freedom fighters have been active in repressed areas of the world. They have tried to preserve an identity and freedom of religion (Afghanistan, Bosnia, Kossovo). With lack of western attention to their quest, and ignorance of the west's own initiative to demonize anything foreign, such moslem freedom fighters turned into a mechanism for not only self perpetuation but for asserting rights in a way that leads to clashes with other cultures. When taken too far, its easy for the demented ones' to propagate terrorism to promote such causes. 

Terrorism now has taken a form of dispicable behavior that pollutes any peace loving peoples and peaceful motives for moral citizenship in the larger community of man.

Terrorism is a disease of poverty, ideation, corruptive power, oppression and megalomania. Certainly the focus is, deservedly, on  the wrongfull behaviors and corrupt ideologies of "moslem" terrorism.

Yet one can also look at what fuels terrorism of this kind. Perhaps it's the usurption of culture, forcefull bullying of ideology, and fundamentalism of an empirialistic agenda that wants to turn a blind eye to the needs of the world community at large. In other words, if you interfere with Corporate "____" you will be punished. If you don't support the party line from your government's policies, than your a terrorist. Historical animosities and political battles should be taken for just that. They have very little to do with religion. Only the ignorant will be persuaded to fall under the wishes of terrorists'. Terrorist's causes are not of a relligious nature. They are a diseased form of asserting one's beliefs at the lack of regard for the rights of others. Terrorism is played out by fringe parties and by governmental policies.

Originally posted by Styrbiorn Originally posted by Oguzoglu Well, did you ever tried to find out the reason of their attacks? Nothing excuses the killing of innocent women and children (and men, let's not be sexist). I simply don't care about their reason. Maybe some western "barbarians" which seem to be "democratic" for all human beings in world media??? I'm sorry, but I really don't understand what you mean. Please rephrase. When you're talking about women and children murders, you should have a look at all ones, including Muslim women and children victims' numbers if your ideology sees them as "human-beings"... Que? I only answered the question what might cause fear/hatred of Muslims, not making some general anti-Muslim statement. The fact that these madmen kill Muslims too is unfortunately easily forgotten when your wife or kid is killed in a terrorist attack.

I totally accept that there is no excuse for killing innocent people, but the USA and other westerns cant realize that I think...

Also I meant USA by "western barbarians" who is shown as democratic for mankind, but never cares about these things at all... Just look at all these violence in middle east and afghanistan...

And please, some emphaty...

You're saying when your kids and wife are killed by a terrorist, but do the American soldiers in Iraq or Afghantistan have any difference with these people??? Well, at least the terrorists have somekind of reason... ( I dont mean they are right, I mean USA kills innocent people for senseless ideology, but these "terrorists" are trying to protect their country from invaders who killed their families! )

"Think what? You didn't finish what you were writing."

I meant I think USA and other westerners cant realize this...

"They do care. It just isn't that easy to make things move forward without someone getting hurt."

They do care? Yeah, these million dollars worth perfect planes, sheltering camps targeted smart missles, ignorant US soldiers killing innocent people on purpose and torturing Iragi people in military camps (opposite behavior for Genoa Congress and HUMANITY), and repeating mean sentences like "crusades" really show how much they care...

"Yeah you're absolutely right. Those Taliban people were running a fine show before those pesky Americans went and ruined everything"

I didnt say anything about the past reggimes. But creating bigger chaoses doesnt end the violence of the existing regime at all. Just look at the situation once. The taliban regyme was torturing the people, and by bombing the victims, US ended all the pain, didnt they?! Bad logic...

"I wonder if you have any empathy. Let's say that a Muslim nation attacks a non-muslim nation and occupies it. Would you be out in the streets protesting? Or would you be cheering?"

What about being a Muslim or not? You show your religious differing by this sentence. You dont have to be a Muslim to be a human. My ideas are for every religious group without differing. Because I dont judge people according to their religion. But If such thing happens  (a Muslim country invades a non-Muslim country) it depends of which country is it and which side is right in the war...

"As a matter of fact, there is a very big difference. The soldiers don't target civilians. Terrorists do. Soldiers go for the man with the gun. Terrorists don't. Soldiers act violently towards a country that has declared war on them. Terrorists just don't care."

No, the soldiers do target civilians. One of the newest things I watched on news about this Iraq issue was that an american soldier killed a defenceless and innocent man in front of a mosque where he was trying to take shelter to protect his daughter from american fire. They shot him because he couldnt communicate with them (as they say). Also you cant judge hoal population of a country such as Iraq as enemy only with the behavior of a dictator who tortures his country...

"It's not a senseless ideology. Freedom of speech, worship, etc., etc. is worth dying and killing for. And what terrorists are you talking about? Oh yeah, the Curds in Turkey, right? "

Yeah, freedom of speech... Didnt USA citizens have freedom of speech before invading Iraq? If you mean freedom for Iraqi citizens, you must realize that by collecting a minority of ethnic groups population in another majority ethnic groups city on purpose to avoid their political freedoms and form an independent puppet state for your goods dont seem to be for creating political equality and freedom at all...

About the Kurd issue... Turks didnt kill Kurds' families. This is even not declared by Kurd terrorist groups. Their wish is to build an independent country in Turkish bordered lands, accepted by all nations in Lausanne Agreement. So their purpose is not to protect the country that feeds them and they belong. Their purpose is to divide that country. So this illegal action can be compared with the American operation, which has the same purpose, to seperate countries...

The mormon church teaches us to live a certian way, but we have Free Agency as White Dragon has stated.  We are not forced to do anything.  We have consequenses for our actions, but we have our own choices.  The church does not rule with an iron fist.