Armenians, descendants of Sakson

I don't know about Mullahs but they know themselves they can't fight against our beliefs

Did you know it:

The greatest number of Mithraeums in the western world were discovered in Germany. An inscription has been found of a centurion's dedication to Mithras dating back to the year 148 A.D. One of the most famous Mithraic bas-reliefs, showing twelve scenes from the life of the god, was discovered in Neuenheim, Germany in 1838.

Source: http://penelope.uchicago.edu/Thayer/E/Gazetteer/Periods/Roman/Topics/Religion/Mithraism/David_Fingrut**.html

Originally posted by Cyrus Shahmiri Svithjod in Norse, Skuthes in Greek, Skayord in Armenian, Sakzad in Persian, Saakadze in Georgian and Saksen in Scythian mean "Sakson/Son of the Scythian/Descendant of the Scythian" or better to say "Son of the Knife" (Middle Persian Saku, Old Norse Svera, Saxon Seax) Mithra!   Do you know why?

Edited by Styrbiorn - 20-Dec-2007 at 16:40

Yes, you're right. The mithras cult was very famous. But it wasn't in Germania, it was the Roman empire. This cult was celebrated among the Roman soldiers at the border to Germania. The mithras religion is not known among germanic nations. There were germanic  people that joined that cult, but that is just an exeption. But this has nothing to do with the Saxons.

It is very possible that they were Saxons who introduced Mithraism to Rome.

Happy Yalda Again!

More info about Yalda (Yule): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yule

Yule is a winter festival associated with the winter solstice celebrated in northern Europe since ancient times. Its Christianized form is called "Christmas", which is essentially the symbology and traditions of Yule with the Christian story of the birth of Jesus of Nazareth superimposed upon it. Yule traditions include decorating a fir tree, burning a Yule log, the hanging of mistletoe and holly, giving gifts, and general celebration and merriment.

In pre-Christian times, Germanic tribes celebrated Yule from late December to early January on a date determined by a lunar calendar.[1] When Christianity was just beginning Christmas was set on the dates of Yule. During Christianization Yule was suppressed by the Christian Church, with many of the traditions being adapted to the new holiday.[2] Thus, the terms "Yule" and "Christmas" are often used interchangeably[3], especially in Christmas carols.

In Denmark, Norway and Sweden the term jul is the common way to refer to the celebration, including among Christians. In these countries the highlight of the yule celebrations is the Yule Eve or Christmas Eve on December 24, which is when children get their yule or christmas presents by a character resembling Father Christmas called julemanden (Denmark), julenissen (Norway), or jultomten (Sweden).

In Finland, it is called joulu, in Estonia j�ulud, and in Iceland and the Faroe Islands j�l.

Yule is an important festival for Germanic neopagans, Wiccans and various secular and religious groups who observe the holiday at the winter solstice (December 21 or 22 in the Northern Hemisphere, June 20 or 21 in the Southern Hemisphere).

Then a happy yalda to you as well.

Originally posted by Cyrus Shahmiri What do you call this hat: Skunkha, King of Scythia, Behistun relief:

I don't know yalda. When you can compare jul and yalda, then I'm sure that the origins lay in the indoeuropean origins of persians and germanics. Of course the longest night is happening all over the world (northern hemisphere), so that this could explain the similarity.

But the word "Yalda" has a Syriac origin not Indo-European.

Well, it is absolutely not possible that the Saxons brought the Mithras-culture to the Romans. You wrote the oldest temple is from about 180. I don't know yet if you're right. Probably you are. But as I mentioned the earliests souces about the saxons are from 350. Ptolemaios didn't know them. So you have a big problem with the time. Another argument against your opinion is that the mithras-cult is unknown in the saxon areas.

It is also said that there was no "Iran" before 20th Century because westerners called it "Persia" not "Iran", however Iranians have always called their country "Iran".
 
I have said it several times that "Saxon" is what Scythians called themselves.

Cyrus, the passage you quoted from "Germania", describes the tribes who lived in the east of Vitsula river (Aesti - meaning easterners) and were engaged in amber trade and most modern scholars identify them with ancient Baltic tribes (Prussians), which explains Tacitus' notion that their language is not Germanic and "resembles" the British. Some scholars might identify them with Finnic tribes (Estonians), but I have never heard that they could be Scytians.

Who are these modern scholars and what are their reasons? We know almost all ancient sources say that peoples who lived in the east of Vitsula river are either Scythians or Sarmatians (a Scythian tribe).

Very funny. Nice joke!

Why?

Scythian hat is a symbol of Scotch/Scythian Pine:

Mithras in a Scotch/Scythian Pine:

We were talking old norse, not modern Swedish. In some dialects mother-in-law is svera, by the way.

"sver�" just means "Knife" in Old Norse, the English word "Sword" comes from this word:

http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?search=sword&searchmode=none
Sword
O.E. sweord, from P.Gmc. *swerdan (cf. O.S., O.Fris. swerd, O.N. sver�)

I think the best word for "Knife" is "Balt", a Persian word for the cutting part of a sword, knife, ... the English word is Blade.

"Balt" comes from Middle Persian "Britan" (Modern Persian Boridan) which means "to bite".

The Skythians you speak of called themselves Saka not Saxon and the Saxones didn't call themselves Saxon but Sahsnotas.

Oh mate Cyrus what are you doing? It is unknown where the name Germani comes from. Tacitus said Cesar named a tribe  as Germani and from there it became common for and later among the other tribes east of the Rhine. We do not know if it is a roman, celtic, german or even a other western celto-germanic indoeuropean language. But it is not persian.

No one has proved here that Saxon is a Germanic langauge.

Please mention some Saxon words similar to words in Germanic, Celtic or Latin languages but not Iranian.

For example about the names of animals: Bird, Dog, Sheep, Pig, ... (I can prove these are all just Scythian words)

Edited by Cyrus Shahmiri - 24-Dec-2007 at 18:39