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  Quote YusakuJon3 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Topic: Q: Ancient Numidia
    Posted: 13-Sep-2007 at 19:57
I have read Titus Livius's history of the Roman republic and am curious about any details which might've come up about the Numidians who were the African neighbors of the semitic Carthaginians.  One thing I have wondered was their origins, as it seems that they were a native African people who were already present when Carthage was founded.  All accounts seem to point to their being a formidable light cavalry, as well, indicating that at some point they mastered the skill of horsemanship.
 
Of particular interest is whether the Numidians were ancestors of the Berbers who later dominated the region, or if they were a separate people later absorbed into the Roman poplace upon their conquest by Rome.
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  Quote jdalton Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13-Sep-2007 at 23:04
All of my books say that the Numidians and Mauritanians were Berbers. Though feel free to set me straight if I'm wrong on that. 
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  Quote Sikander Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02-Oct-2007 at 13:26

You could also read Procopius of Caesarea "The Wars - the Vandalic Wars". It does not answer your question but it talks a lot about the Numidians. They were most surely the same, or akin to, the Berbers.

There was another Classic author (Strabon? Herodotus?) who wrote about it. You may find it on the net.



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  Quote Penelope Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02-Oct-2007 at 15:47
A very beautiful depiction of Numidian warriors, which shows the traditional white tunic, and shields, which were always wrapped in cowhide.
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  Quote Tyranos Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02-Oct-2007 at 17:38
Numidians were Berbers.
 
Here's a good page on them:
 


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  Quote YusakuJon3 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09-Oct-2007 at 00:51
From what I've read in Livy's history, the Numidians were considered excellent light cavalry and were later employed by the Romans as mercenaries in their conquest of Macedon and other Hellenistic kingdoms.  Yet no mention is made of them after the defeat of Jurgurtha.  I'm presuming that they were effectively Romanized as the Gauls were, although they would eventually shake off the Roman overlords as the western empire began to decay.
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  Quote Penelope Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09-Oct-2007 at 06:38

Well, history tells us that the term "Berber" was applied to Numidians, Libyans, Mauri, and Moors.

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  Quote Tyranos Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09-Oct-2007 at 06:48
Originally posted by Penelope

Well, history tells us that the term "Berber" was applied to Numidians, Libyans, Mauri, and Moors.

 
Yes those  are all Berber tribes and peoples.  For example, Tunisians  known as Carthaginians, were according to history a mix of Punics(Phoencians) and native Berbers. The Roman's continued to use Berber  auxiliaries for some time, as far North as Hadrian Wall in Britannia. The Emperor Severus Septimus was of Romanized Berber extraction.

We also shouldnt mix up modern Mauritiania(French invented country), with Roman Mauritania, which was/is modern Morroco. The Moors are named after and come from these Berbers of North Africa.


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  Quote Windemere Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 08-Nov-2007 at 01:27
Numidia was the ancient name for Algeria; Tingitana was the ancient name for Morocco. Both have been inhabited by Berbers since ancient times.
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  Quote pinguin Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 08-Nov-2007 at 01:51
By the way, it is obvious Berbers and Moors are known in Spain. Now, in Spanish "Moor" (Moro) means Maghrebian, Moroccan and Berber. "Moro" and the derivated "Moreno" (Moorish) also mean a light brown person, like Southern Europeans or Lebaneses.
 
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  Quote longshanks31 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04-Dec-2007 at 12:54
Its a shame carthage did not survive as a living roman city, i expect their knowledge of the nubians was extensive, to the romans the nubians had a fierce, military reputation, hence there employing them, ive heard a few stories of nubian gladiators who did quite well.
Id like to know what religious practices they had that we know of.
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  Quote jdalton Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04-Dec-2007 at 18:07
Originally posted by longshanks31

Its a shame carthage did not survive as a living roman city, i expect their knowledge of the nubians was extensive, to the romans the nubians had a fierce, military reputation, hence there employing them, ive heard a few stories of nubian gladiators who did quite well.
Id like to know what religious practices they had that we know of.

Do you mean the Numidians or the Nubians? There was a thread not too long ago about Nubia (the Nile's other kingdom I think the thread was called). Nubian religion adopted many beliefs and practices from Egypt, but had many of its own unique gods and goddesses as well. Numidian religion I don't know anything about.
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