Iranian lesbian faces deportation from Britain

In a few generations Europe will be the hardcore of the Muslim world. Take a look at this man:

Stop grouping Muslims as one bloc of people. Christians killed millions in Uganda. In fact, most of the worlds worst atrocities were committed by Christians. Maybe we need to look at that?

Of course is not a bloc of people, there are lesbians, homosexuals, atheists, Salman Rushdie, Turks, Romanians Muslims, suicide bombers and a lot of normal people and a larger lot of infidels, you must face the diversity.

 

Originally posted by Sparten ... Whilst Morty, IIRC Iran is along with the US one of only two countries where their are more women graduates than men.

While that may be true, Sparten, in the eyes of many around the world (mine included), the women in Iran are considered second class citizens. They are imprisoned simply for demonstrating or organizing as a group (hence no freedom of speech), they do not share the same rights and privileges as the men are afforded, and are therefore unequal to men (hence second class). They are, however, becoming more and more rebellious and outspoken (hopefully brought on by the education you so indicate).

IMO, sexual orientation is a personal right of every human. Why any government has a say in the matter is beyond my comprehension. But suffice it to say that no government control is ever going to obviate or eradicate homosexuality/lesbianism anywhere in the world. Iran will have to deal with that fact at some point as well.

Regardless of weather Tazir has a fixed penalty or not, in its implementation homosexual acts are clearly considered a capital crime. And why shouldn't people around the world have an opinion on this issue? It is the systematic and government endorsed butchering of a group whose only "crime" is a sexual preference which the scientific evidence indicated has a biological basis.

Originally posted by Omar al Hashim Originally posted by Richard XIII Almost a  half of Muslim world (the women) is, without doubt, discriminated, useless for society, In your opinion a mother who chooses not to work is useless?! You who would accuse us of discriminating against women? That is such a materialistic view point, and certainly behind falling birth rates in the west. Is a mother who stays home useless? Is a wife who cares for her husband useless? Are people only useful if they work in "the machine" earning money?

What is different to your viewpoint that a woman works in the 'machine' that is her home - reliant on her husband for money and more often than not, companionship.   Working allows someone to make their own money, hence independence. Working also creates friendships and advances a person in many more ways than a simple paycheck.   Your viewpoint claims that women are slaves to capitalism - mine views that women are slaves to the kitchen. What are your view on 'house-husbands', out of interest?

Not surprisingly I was completely misunderstood.
I never made the claim that women working is bad. I'm opposing the claim that a woman who isn't in the capitalist system is useless.
Every person should be able to work and earn an income, male or female, that is essential. However if you do a part time job instead of a full time, if your husband can provide for you, and you choose to take that option you are not useless or discriminated against.
Raising a family is more important than wealth. You should do it properly, if you need two incomes to support your family then both parents ought to work. If you can get by on one, then it is far better to only have one - at least while there are young children. That person is not useless, they provide an extremely valuable service to you, your family and society. You just can't measure it in dollars.

Richard the XII's comment is extraordinarily ignorant, certainly offensive, and probably also dangerous.
Having the freedom to work is useless without having the freedom not to work.

Originally posted by Sparten People shold be productive as much as possible. But of course real life dose not allow that. When she got married my mother was a collage lecturer, a few months later she became as asst Professor, however within 2 year she was forced to quit? Why? Since my dad was an army officer, in the year I was born there was a deployment to Siachin, and after that he served three tours on the LOC. Its not like he could have helped.   In most countries the families usually all have to work. Its in a v few areas where such questions as "right to work" can even be asked.

It seems to me that Pakistan is more progressive than most Islamic countries when it comes to this (Admittedly so is Iran) How does it work in practise, women in the workforce in large numbers? Would you say it promotes or negates equality treatment?