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Serge L
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Topic: Iranian lesbian faces deportation from Britain Posted: 26-Aug-2007 at 14:14 |
Morticia, you missed this one:
An Italian gay rights group has joined fellow activists in Britain in
calling on the British government not to deport a homosexual woman to
Iran where she faces flogging and even capital punishment on account of
her sexual orientation.
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The woman actually managed to have her forced repatriation delayed till tomorrow, August 27. The Guardian observes:
The British government was today under mounting pressure from Italy not
to expel an Iranian lesbian who, campaigners say, faces death by
stoning if forced to return to her own country.The case of Pegah Emambakhsh, 40, has become front-page news in Italy while going almost unreported in Britain.
| http://www.guardian.co.uk/iran/story/0,,2155893,00.htmlIt seems to be true: I run a yahoo research in English language, and, aside from the Guardian, no on-line articles from English speaking countries main news sites -- zip on BBC, for instance. articles I found are from Agency France Press ( http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20070825/wl_uk_afp/britainirangaysdeport_070825212409), Middle East time ( http://www.metimes.com/storyview.php?StoryID=20070826-034309-8567r ), and a Gay related website ( http://www.gaywired.com/article.cfm?section=123&id=16043), other than the a/m article on the English language pages of ADNKronos, one of Italian press agencies. Is it possible that even in democracies, governments can ask and obtain that press plays down some unwanted subjects? [edited to fix links]
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Posted: 27-Aug-2007 at 06:09 |
Is it possible that even in democracies, governments can ask and obtain that press plays down some unwanted subjects? |
Absolutely! They do it all the time. Question here is, why would they want to? Its unknown for the Anglo-American press & governments to miss a chance for Iran bashing.
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Posted: 27-Aug-2007 at 06:31 |
Originally posted by Omar al Hashim
Is it possible that even in democracies, governments can ask and obtain that press plays down some unwanted subjects? |
Absolutely! They do it all the time. Question here is, why would they want to? Its unknown for the Anglo-American press & governments to miss a chance for Iran bashing.
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Considering Iran's government has executed over 4,000 homosexuals since their revolution to morally cleanse their nation, the need to enlighten the world to these sorts of abuses of human rights abuses is perfectly warranted. No fake claims of WMDs here, instead just a very clear case of a government butchering its own people out of hatred and bigotry.
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Posted: 27-Aug-2007 at 07:27 |
Yes well Iran is also elected to lead with 20 other nations the anti-racism and pro-human rights conference...
http://www.unwatch.org/site/apps/nl/content2.asp?c=bdKKISNqEmG&b=1316871&ct=4318429
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Posted: 27-Aug-2007 at 08:16 |
omg! Is she going to find asylum in Eressos, Lesvos island?
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Posted: 27-Aug-2007 at 08:41 |
Maybe one detail has not been put to evidence.
The British government was ready to extradite the woman to Iran on the ground that homosexuality cannot be proven beyond any doubt.
Is there some political interest in it? Well, one can hypothesize that British government could want to please the Iranians for some reason; certainly, this could be a dangerous precedent, since people (with sufficient stomach ;) ) could simulate homosexuality to achieve refugee status.
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Posted: 28-Aug-2007 at 04:05 |
News update: British government, under pressures, postponed sine die her forced repatriation.
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Posted: 28-Aug-2007 at 05:18 |
Being homosexual is never a crime. Homosexual acts is a crime.
And Constantine XI, where did you get the 4,000 figure?
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Posted: 28-Aug-2007 at 05:32 |
Homosexual acts are not a crime where I come from, neither should they be. And many people have been murdered in Iran due only to sexual orientation, and not for any act they commited..Its a disgrace.
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Posted: 28-Aug-2007 at 07:07 |
And where on earth do you get such information? Never a good idea to make an assertion without supporting evidence.
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Posted: 28-Aug-2007 at 07:18 |
http://direland.typepad.com/direland/2005/07/iran_executes_2.html
Admission of sex gained under torture, and a totally false claim of rape to justify the hanging of two teenage boys to outside authoriteis. Disgraceful.
According to reputable sources, such as the BBC, it was sexual orientation and not behaviour that was the real reason for these people's executions, with the 'rape' of a boy a total smokescreen that highlights the fact that this behaviour - perpertrated by a Government is totally reprehensible and ethically, morally, and obviously wrong. For someone to justify this hanging and human rights atrocities is a disgrace.
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Posted: 28-Aug-2007 at 07:33 |
here here
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Posted: 28-Aug-2007 at 22:11 |
I have seen the figure of 4000 cited by newsagencies, and it appears again in Dolphin's first link. That's the quantitative side of it.
The qualitative side of it is provided in the second link, where two adolecent boys are put to death because of their sexual orientation. Iran's government remains one of the worst abusers of human rights in a range of areas, with those of gays being just one category.
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Posted: 29-Aug-2007 at 05:25 |
Originally posted by Sparten
Being homosexual is never a crime.
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Homosexual acts is a crime.
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That is debatable at least. For instance, who is the victim of a homosexual act (providing it is between consenting adults)?
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Posted: 29-Aug-2007 at 09:27 |
http://direland.typepad.com/direland/2005/08/irans_deadly_an.html
This link is worth a read as well.
Does Iran think that homosexuality is some sort of disease that they can wipe out by death..? Like do they realistically believe that if they execute enough gays that the country will be 'cleansed' of them...? Maybe Cyrus would have a thing or two to say on it.
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Posted: 29-Aug-2007 at 09:57 |
In my experience homosecuality is a naturally occurring phenomenon within humanity which transcends race, culture, religion and history. Homosexuals have long been persecuted by Abrahamic religions and to no avail, this feature of society continues to emerge everywhere despite some of the most repressive measures consistently applied over thousands of years. It has a biological basis, somewhat affected by environmental conditions, and as an inherent feature of humans it cannot be eliminated.
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Posted: 29-Aug-2007 at 13:36 |
Thank you, Serge, for bringing awareness obout this topic (you're right, I missed this one !. Somehow, it doesn't surprise me that a country who still considers women as second class citizens would also be unfair and brutal as far as sex orientation is concerned. It's just another form of discrimination!
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Posted: 29-Aug-2007 at 16:39 |
So, one who is both woman and homosexual is the quintessential scum. How can we allow this abomination to continue to breath good oxygen that could be better used by real people?
Seriously, I am more puzzled by the behaviour of the British government than by that of the Iranian one -- one cannot expect much better from Amadinejad and friends.
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Posted: 30-Aug-2007 at 04:55 |
The problem is if Western governments directly criticise these actions by an OIL-rich country, three things happen:
1) Islamic extremists slate and burn effigies of Western leaders for being 'Islamaphobic'
2) The West could lose oil
3) We get accused of 'neo-colonialism' or 'Imperialism'
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Posted: 30-Aug-2007 at 05:05 |
Not to mention an incentive for more terrorist attacks and kidnappings, as well as a further political straining on an already fraught relationship...
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