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    Posted: 04-Jun-2009 at 20:38
Originally posted by Majkes

 
There were plenty of them. In XVI th century PLC parliament Catholics were often a minority.
That is going too far. But there was indeed a period when non-Catholics were really numerous. For example there were 1/3 non-Catholic senators around 1570.
Polish-Lithuanian Commownealth was a mulitreligiuos country and non-Catholics possesed the highest military and civilian offices too.
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  Quote Temujin Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04-Jun-2009 at 21:59
Originally posted by ataman


Polish-Lithuanian Commownealth was a mulitreligiuos country and non-Catholics possesed the highest military and civilian offices too.


is this the reason why they converted or are there other reasons? and why did they converted to Calvinism instead of Protestantism for example?
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  Quote ataman Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04-Jun-2009 at 22:10
Originally posted by Temujin


is this the reason why they converted or are there other reasons?

They converted for religious and economical reasons. 

Originally posted by Temujin

and why did they converted to Calvinism instead of Protestantism for example?

Do you mean Lutheranism? I don't know why exactly, but in PLC Lutheranism was popular among townsmen, while Calvinism was more popular among nobility. There was also significant number of Polish Brethren (also called Antitrinitarians, Arians, or Socinians) among nobility.



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  Quote Roberts Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04-Jun-2009 at 22:41
In the middle of 17th century PLC (before potop) was very multiconfessional. Especially in the Lithuanian part of commonwealth there were 6 different Christian confessions widespread amongst nobility - Calvinism, Lutheranism, Arianism, Catholicism, Uniates (Greek Catholics) and Orthodox. Not to mention there was also sizeable muslim Tatar and Jewish populations.
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  Quote ataman Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05-Jun-2009 at 08:59
And something else - songs of Polish hussars in 17th c. Tha article is in Polish, but there are links to songs and texts (most of them in Latin) of these songs. 
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  Quote Majkes Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05-Jun-2009 at 18:09
Originally posted by Temujin

Originally posted by ataman


Polish-Lithuanian Commownealth was a mulitreligiuos country and non-Catholics possesed the highest military and civilian offices too.


is this the reason why they converted or are there other reasons? and why did they converted to Calvinism instead of Protestantism for example?
 
I've read it had anti-catholic cler background. Position of the priest in Calvinism was much weaker than in Catholicism. So Nobles who accepted Calvibism didn't pay taxes to Church, second they could overtake Church's property and let's be honest those were the main reasons.
This was also reason of Prothestantism collapse in Poland. Protheastant pastors didn't have enough money to spread religion cause their Patrons were overtaking those while Catholic church was still very rich. Calvin nobility were not afraid of Catholics so they prefered to take what's theirs and don't spend too much for religion.
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  Quote Roberts Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05-Jun-2009 at 22:51
Originally posted by Majkes

This was also reason of Prothestantism collapse in Poland. Protheastant pastors didn't have enough money to spread religion cause their Patrons were overtaking those while Catholic church was still very rich.

Afaik the reasons were different. After Polish-Swedish-Russian wars in the middle of 17th century the religious tolerance pretty much ended, because the king was suspicious of all protestant nobles cooperating with Sweden. Many were forced in exile,
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  Quote ataman Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06-Jun-2009 at 06:40

It is much more complex issue.

The begining of regress of Protestantism in Poland might be joined with counter-Reformation and with Zygmunt III Waza's reign. The wars of 1648-1660 only strengthened this tendency. It was the effect of real collaborationism of non-Catholics with enemies of PLC.

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  Quote Majkes Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06-Jun-2009 at 07:55
Originally posted by Roberts

Originally posted by Majkes

This was also reason of Prothestantism collapse in Poland. Protheastant pastors didn't have enough money to spread religion cause their Patrons were overtaking those while Catholic church was still very rich.

Afaik the reasons were different. After Polish-Swedish-Russian wars in the middle of 17th century the religious tolerance pretty much ended, because the king was suspicious of all protestant nobles cooperating with Sweden. Many were forced in exile,
 
You are right but I was talking about earlier period and it was obvious before Polish Swedish wars in mid 17th century that Catholicism will be victorious in Poland.
Also not only king was suspicious but most of Nobility.
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  Quote ataman Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25-Aug-2009 at 00:36
How did the hussars fight? The article and pictures.

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  Quote Tryskochvost Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05-Oct-2009 at 01:03
week ago, I was on trip to czestochowa, off course we went to Jasna Gora, but unfortunately the Zbrojowna was closed. Are in Jasna Gora some hussars armours or somethig?
"Toho bohda nebude, aby Cesky kral z boje utikal"(Let it never be the case that a Bohemian king runs from a fight!] John the Blind-king of Bohemia,in battle for Crecy
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  Quote ataman Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05-Oct-2009 at 08:15

Originally posted by Tryskochvost

Are in Jasna Gora some hussars armours or somethig?

There are modern copies of hussar armors. 

If you are interested in originals. There are original sabres. And there is a wing, which was attached to Sobieski's 'hetman's sign' in the battle of Vienna 1683.

The biggest collections of hussar armors are in Kraków.



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  Quote Tryskochvost Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14-Oct-2009 at 01:15
don't you know some armourer, making copies and selling them?
"Toho bohda nebude, aby Cesky kral z boje utikal"(Let it never be the case that a Bohemian king runs from a fight!] John the Blind-king of Bohemia,in battle for Crecy
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  Quote ataman Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14-Oct-2009 at 02:53

Yes, I know. Unfortunately the best armour makers don't have their sites in internet. You can only call to them. There are other guys, but their armours aren't too high quality. If you want more info, write to me off the forum, ok?

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  Quote Mosquito Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04-Nov-2009 at 05:37
Originally posted by ataman

 
The biggest collections of hussar armors are in Kraków.
 
And the second biggest is probably in Kórnik (Kornik) near Poznan. In general, not many original full armour sets survived till today.


Edited by Mosquito - 04-Nov-2009 at 05:40
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  Quote farfocello Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24-May-2010 at 04:44
Something for Wiged Hussars fans:

Klushino Battle - 400 years

One of the biggest 17th-century festivals in Europe in 2010. More than 600 participants, including more than 130 horses, more than 80 Polish hussars (the greatest quantity at our times).

3-4 July 2010 Warsaw

Polish forces numbering about 4,000 men (of which about 80 percent) were the famous 'winged' hussars) under HetmanStanisław Żółkiewski defeated a numerically superior force of about 35,000 - 40,000 Russians under Dmitry ShuiskyAndrew Golicyn and Danilo Mezecki, including about 5,000 - 10,000 mercenary units temporarily allied to Russia, under the command of Jacob De la Gardie, mostly Finnish and Swedish, with some regiments composed of French, German and British. Including the forces that did not take part in combat (remained in camp, reserve or was delayed), the numbers were 12,300 Poles against 48,000 Russians. Poles were supported by 2 cannons, and Russians by 11...


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BTW - I made several charts basing on data from books:

1) Changes of composition and numerical strength of the regular state army of the Crown of the Kingdom of Poland:

It shows numerical strength of contingents of Winged Hussars, other types of cavalry, dragoons and infantry in individual years:

In 1621 there were as many as 9450 Hussars (they contributed to the Polish victory over the Ottoman Empire that year):



2) Polish military effort against individual countries in several years of the early 17th century (it shows that the bulk of Polish military effort was usually against other enemies - not Sweden):



3) Polish and Austrian forces involved against Sweden in the war for the Mouth of the Vistula River:

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  Quote keetper Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11-Nov-2011 at 07:51
Originally posted by ataman

Yes, I know. Unfortunately the best armour makers don't have their sites in internet. You can only call to them. There are other guys, but their armours aren't too high quality. If you want more info, write to me off the forum, ok?


Curious about this topic. I think Hyperion is supposed to be one of the best.
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  Quote Sarmata Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18-Apr-2012 at 00:00
Originally posted by Temujin


Originally posted by ataman

Polish-Lithuanian Commownealth was a mulitreligiuos country and non-Catholics possesed the highest military and civilian offices too.
is this the reason why they converted or are there other reasons? and why did they converted to Calvinism instead of Protestantism for example?


taking a direct quote from Adam Zamoyski from his book, "Poland: a History", he explains the "hype" for Calvinism: "Enhanced by its more sympathetic Francophone associations, it rapidly gained ground all over the country. The democratic spirit of Calvinism which placed the lay elder on a par with the minster could hardly fail to appeal to the instincts of the szlachta, while the absence of pomp and ceremony from its rites made it a pleasingly cheap religion to support."

[...]" Although they gained ascendancy, the Calvinists never managed to control the Protesant movement in Poland[...]The Protestant sect which produced Poland's most significant contribution to Christian philosophy was the Arians. Expelled from Bohemia in 1548, they settled in Poland, where they were known as the 'Czech brethren' and later Arians[...]They gained many converts - up to about 40,000 adherents practising in some two hundred temples scattered thrughout the country. Their spiritual center was Raków, where they established an academy, visited by students all over Europe.[...]The two most prominent Polish Arians were Marcin Czechowicz and Szymon Budny."

Hope that information helps a little!
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