62nd anniversary of Hiroshima

I'll tell you why we are not ashamed.  We didn't start the war.  Read your history!

Did it come across that way?  If it did then I didn't explain myself properly.  There is no comparison between the two.  What I mean't to say was America had some faults and biases' of its own, like the axis, but nowhere near the level of the japanese and germans.  I used the word concentration camp because that is the term I have heard used for that particular situation before.  Perhaps a better example would have been the racism towards minorities especially blacks in america, similar to the germans racism, just that the germans went way beyond the americans.

Originally posted by Anton I know your point very well.  Look in this thread and you will find thaat most Americans think in the same way. I simply do not agree with it. I do not understand why present day Germans and Japanese are ashaimed of what happened but Americans, Brits and Russians are not. I do not understand why the winninng side suppose that it was more right than Germans or Japanese.  To me there was no right side in this War. To stop doing something wrong you first need to realize that it is wrong. That's the first step.

Originally posted by Majkes We should be greatfull that not everybody were thinking like You cause we would be know living in some Nazi or Communist dictatorship. I will add that if not Russians, Brits and Americans there wouldn't be now any Jews, Polish, Gypsies, Russians etc but it doesn't seem to disturb You so dream on...

Dream on what? You discuss the issue in terms of historical amusements. There would be no if...  I know that Americans, Russians and Britts killed many innocent people and by that way there is no difference between them and Germans or Japanese. But now there is one huge difference -- Germans and Japanese remember what have they done and will try to avoid this in future. Others keep thinking that they were right. They made wrong conclusions from the War.

Originally posted by Anton Originally posted by Majkes We should be greatfull that not everybody were thinking like You cause we would be know living in some Nazi or Communist dictatorship. I will add that if not Russians, Brits and Americans there wouldn't be now any Jews, Polish, Gypsies, Russians etc but it doesn't seem to disturb You so dream on... Dream on what? You discuss the issue in terms of historical amusements. There would be no if...  I know that Americans, Russians and Britts killed many innocent people and by that way there is no difference between them and Germans or Japanese. But now there is one huge difference -- Germans and Japanese remember what have they done and will try to avoid this in future. Others keep thinking that they were right. They made wrong conclusions from the War.

Originally posted by Majkes You said that to You there was no right side in this war. One of the stupidest claims I've heard on this forum. For me if one side goal was to destroy whole nations I support the other side that fought them. I suppose Your opinion is based on the fact that if Axis would win Bulgaria would grab Macedonia and parts of Greece.

My opinion is based on a fact that killing  of people is bad. A thing I  believe to be so trivial that there is no need to repeate it.  C'mon Majkes don't tell me that you don't know that main reason of any war is economical. Goal of Germans was not to destroy nations but to  have an access to resources that growing German economics needed. As for the stupidity of my claim, I can only smile here

Yes, you are right in all points. What I wanted to say is that allies accepted the game rules and still play in the same way.

Look the bombings took place during a war and had to happen.  An invasion of Japan would have cost an estimated 1 million American lives before a surrender could have been forced that way.  Instead, we paid them back for Pearl Harbor and their raping of South-East Asia, and forced a promt surrender and end to hostilities.  Of course in that situation an American is worth more than a Japanese person, its WAR.  Civilized or not, armed conflict is going to be a little more violent than you playing Risk with your friends.  Any sensible person realizes this.  In addition, the dropping of two atomic bombs ushered in a new age for humanity as a whole, and should always be viewed as a proud American achievement in both science and warfare.

Originally posted by Temujin USA said they wouldn't accept an unconditional surrender - but they did!

Actually, this is one of the most misunderstood point in WW2 history.

Edited by snowybeagle - 27-Sep-2007 at 03:18

Haha well I guess a communist from Cuba certainly wouldn't agree, even though how many have been killed because of you and your ilk's "revolutions"?  In the International Forum our human rights record is still better than Cuba's, even despite the debacle that is Iraq and Bush's idiotic policies.