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    Posted: 06-Nov-2007 at 18:24
yes it would have been a logistical nightmare getting supplies to them after the initial beachhead was formed, it would have been ten times more difficult than d-day
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Oh, if that had happened I would imagine we would have waited to develop more and then use them. (not including the russian impact; whether they would just invade and conquer Japan, they had no qualms about casualties like the US did)  We really did not want to invade the mainland with the marines and army because the casualties projections were, bottom line, incredibly high.
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Posts: 572 		  Quote longshanks31 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05-Nov-2007 at 10:08
i mean japan of today i love, theres not a much more enlightened and forward thinking race on the planet, but in 1945 it must have been tempting to the yanks to reduce it to a no go zone.
i mean id have sent 5 or 6 just incase the two i intended got shot down on route.
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Posts: 1399 		  Quote Justinian Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05-Nov-2007 at 02:11
^^ As far as I know we only had two. 
 
Also it was just as effective to fire bomb the hell out of all their major cities.  No one would be stupid or stubborn enough to keep resisting after two atomic weapons unless you are hitler who thinks his entire country should become a crater because it failed your designs. 
 
Their emperor wanted peace, even with the military wanting to continue until the country was dead, the people would follow him not them.  All he needed to do was get the word out and that was that.
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Posts: 572 		  Quote longshanks31 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04-Nov-2007 at 18:10
i dont think they would have stopped at two given first chance, they hit pearl harbor and they were not even at war, two showed great restraint.
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  Quote Guests Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04-Nov-2007 at 16:39
Americans only have two...
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its a pity the americans stopped at two

You think that sounds pretty cool, don't you?

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its a pity the americans stopped at two
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Paul Tibbets (23 February 1915 - 1 November 2007)
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...Like President Harry Truman who ordered the attack, Tibbets never expressed regret over his role, whatever the controversy that has raged ever since. It was his patriotic duty, he insisted, to carry out an attack that shortened the war.

"...I'm not proud that I killed 80,000 people, but I'm proud I was able to start with nothing, plan it and have it work as perfectly as it did," he said years later. "You've got to take stock and assess the situation at that time. We were at war, and you use anything at your disposal. There are no Marquess of Queensberry rules in war". And, he added, "I sleep clearly every night."...

This time your sleep will be longer.
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The problem with a war is that we dont know how it ends.
 
Of course some kind of actions are execrated for some people and justified for others.
 
In my opinion classify, in a kind of evaluation order, atrocities, is very dangerous, because someone thinks that a particular action is justified:
-"we slaughtered thousand of civilians, to instile terror in the hearts of our enemies, so they dont try attacking our troops".
-"we nuke two cities to spare the lifes of our brave soldiers"
 
Regarding to the theme of this topic, i wich to gave my respects to all inocent japanese victims of the A-bombs and of the despotism of Hirohito and his military leaders, and my homage to all brave soldiers of the allied forces that free the world of a evil regime.
 
... Above else we must be tolerant to each other opinions, and make everything to stop the wars!
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  Quote Guests Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14-Oct-2007 at 07:01
Do you ever think that the bombings are justified? Do you ever think that the rape of nanking is justified? Do you every think that the holocaust is justified? Do you ever think that the invasion of China is justified? Do you ever think that the attack on poland is justified? Do you ever think that the firebombings on tokyo are justified? Do you ever think that the daily air raids are justified? Do you ever think that war is justified??

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Originally posted by Sparten

There is a tradition on AE to chose a country not your own for your location.
There is???!!! Confused
 
I only know some AE members did it out of fun, I didn't know it became a tradition ...
 
Still, I'll stick to my own.
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Beylerbeyi, is if memory serves, from Turkey. There is a tradition on AE to chose a country not your own for your location.
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Haha well I guess a communist from Cuba certainly wouldn't agree, even though how many have been killed because of you and your ilk's "revolutions"?  In the International Forum our human rights record is still better than Cuba's, even despite the debacle that is Iraq and Bush's idiotic policies. 
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Posts: 1355 		  Quote Beylerbeyi Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27-Sep-2007 at 13:48
In addition, the dropping of two atomic bombs ushered in a new age for humanity as a whole, and should always be viewed as a proud American achievement in both science and warfare.
 
Another example of the moral bankruptcy of the American Empire. Just when I think they can't sink any lower, some... poster comes up with something sicker.
 
All I can say to those who rush to defend these atrocities is despite the likes of you running about, I hope someone won't follow your example and drop a nuke or two on your country.


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Originally posted by Temujin

USA said they wouldn't accept an unconditional surrender - but they did!
Actually, this is one of the most misunderstood point in WW2 history.
 
The Potsdam Declaration (July 26, 1945) called for unconditional surrender of the armed forces only, dropping all references to the Japanese emperor.  And they (USA) got it, eventually.
 
But the Japanese leadership chose to rejected it (July 27-28, 1945).  The omission of references to the Tenno was not lost, but apparently, they thought the Allies was weakening their resolve (trying to preserve lives of the Allied troops) instead of the face-saving gesture it was meant to be.
 
Those who claimed Japan would have surrendered earlier if allowed to keep the Tenno overlooked this point.


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  Quote Guests Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27-Sep-2007 at 01:54
Okay, the above post is where it becomes creepy. ^ The Atom Bomb was no great boon for humanity (as the inventors of it also beleived), yes the dropping was the right decision, but it was hardly a proud achivement, since then the invention of poison gas shells would have to be a proud German achievement.
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Look the bombings took place during a war and had to happen.  An invasion of Japan would have cost an estimated 1 million American lives before a surrender could have been forced that way.  Instead, we paid them back for Pearl Harbor and their raping of South-East Asia, and forced a promt surrender and end to hostilities.  Of course in that situation an American is worth more than a Japanese person, its WAR.  Civilized or not, armed conflict is going to be a little more violent than you playing Risk with your friends.  Any sensible person realizes this.  In addition, the dropping of two atomic bombs ushered in a new age for humanity as a whole, and should always be viewed as a proud American achievement in both science and warfare.
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Originally posted by Akolouthos

It didn't. I was simply trying to clarify the point, as there are a lot of people who have irrationally criticized American conduct during the war in this thread--which is quite surprising, since there are perfectly valid rational criticisms that can be made. I apologize if you felt like I was accusing you; the comment "at least not overtly" was intended to give you the opportunity to disagree if I had interpreted your original comments in a softer sense than you had intended them. In retrospect, it was I who was being reckless with my language, for which you have my apologies. In an effort to clarify certain points, I muddled the original point of your post.
 
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Thanks for the explanation.  No offence taken.Smile
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Yes, you are right in all points. What I wanted to say is that allies accepted the game rules and still play in the same way.
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