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Topic: Advantage of being white? Posted: 06-Mar-2005 at 19:06 |
Yeah sry, it showed up in my computer at first, but now I see it just came up wrong.
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Serge L
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Posted: 06-Mar-2005 at 17:18 |
well, for first you should better save the picture on your disk and than upload it here using the new features of this forum, since the original site does apparently not support hotlinks (I just see a big "Angeltown" icon there)
However, I went to the original page, following the link . . . and I know that map.
Please notice it's not a map of skin tones, but of ultraviolet light at different locations.
Skin tones are just added, for comparison, in an even more skecthy way then in the map I linked, i.e. as three different areas, for dark, light and "possesing the greater potential for growing lighter or darker seasonally" -- it's the fact I mentioned in my previous posts, according to people living at intermediate latitudes are the most able to tan.
I'd say that the map you presented is intresting when seen together with the one of Biasutti I linked, since it supports the thesis acording to which in some areas skin tones reflect very closely the UV gradients, and in other ones they do it less well.
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Posted: 06-Mar-2005 at 16:32 |
I found this map, wat do you think of it..?
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Serge L
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Posted: 06-Mar-2005 at 12:56 |
I se my map caused some rumor. Strange, since it's been very common material among physical anthropologists for some decades. You can find it on many websites, for instance.
However, it's just a sketchy and approssimative breakdown. Please consider that each color on the map coresponds to 3 to 12 different skin shade (as defined in another old and well known table . . . have a google search and you will surely find it), to the average skin tone of a certain area (tones can differ a lot in the same area!), to untanned skin (in some populations, like Mediterraneans, skin can be even 7 or 8 tones darker when tanned!), that it ignores differences between tones due to melanine and to other pigments,like carotene (which givew yellow-reddish shades) etc.
However, if someone can find (or create!) a moe precise map, feel free to post it . . .
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Posted: 05-Mar-2005 at 15:35 |
The map indicates 12-14 green in both Northern Norway and northern Algeria-Morocco |
That region between Algeria and Morocco is inhabited by many Berbers,
who don't all look like the folks in your pic, in fact they look more
like Turegs (sp), who live in the Sahara. Way to use intentionaly
selective images to try and prove a point.
That said, i think its a given its just an error, and is intended to represent the 15-17 zone.
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Posted: 05-Mar-2005 at 12:36 |
As I said, maybe the map isn't fit for the real world; but more a theoretical display of how skintones would be distributed if it wasn't for migration, or maybe other cultural factors or something.
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Posted: 05-Mar-2005 at 10:10 |
Originally posted by Alparslan
I wonder how you read the map, Mangudai?
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The map indicates 12-14 green in both Northern Norway and northern Algeria-Morocco
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Posted: 05-Mar-2005 at 07:55 |
I wonder how you read the map, Mangudai?
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Posted: 05-Mar-2005 at 07:38 |
Well according to the map, these guys have the same skintone...
Yeah right!
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Posted: 05-Mar-2005 at 06:38 |
Maybe the fact some migrations are left out of consideration in this map causes your troubles? Because as mentioned by the poster, the map discards the fairly recent migration to the Americas, so maybe it discards other movements as well.
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Posted: 04-Mar-2005 at 20:01 |
The map is misleading. It shows an area in northern Africa as being
populated by "whites," but that is untrue. |
No it doesn't.
The map clearly shows that people in a part of North Western Africa
have the same or very similar skin tone to people in Parts of Souther
Europe. Which is true.
Now, you can use that to determine 'whiteness' (something which is
primarily culturaly defined), or insist that only people from Europe
can be white, or whatever. But either way, the map doesn't show that
Parts of N. Africa is populated by whites. You, the observer, have
coloured the map with your own interpretations
That said, the area just under the coastal strip looks iffy, maybe its
an era it was intended to be the 15-17 range. Maybe they are genuinly
light-skinned Berber types, who knows. But the map doesn't state that
they are white, so, i guess the point stands.
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Posted: 04-Mar-2005 at 19:46 |
Originally posted by Serge L
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The map is misleading. It shows an area in northern Africa as being
populated by "whites," but that is untrue.
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Posted: 02-Mar-2005 at 11:46 |
Not substantialy so in my experience, but then you have to consider
that some people tan on purpose to the extend of being quite brown, so
baring that in mind, young Swedes are darker than Brits
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Posted: 01-Mar-2005 at 22:53 |
What of the Medditeranian peoples? Aren't some significantly darker than just a slight shade as the map shows..?
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Posted: 01-Mar-2005 at 12:25 |
[quote]And the Eurasian map ought to show more variations, according to the
map tibetans and spanish poeple have the same skin tone... Well I've
never seen spaniards with this skin /quote]
Actualy, if you look carefully, part of where Tibet is, there is an arm of slightly darker tone raeching into it.
But yes, i'd agree that the map lacks detail, but then it is a small and basic looking one.
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Posted: 01-Mar-2005 at 12:19 |
I do agree with Mangudai.
The southern and central Mexico should reflect a larger darker skin population than Northern Mexico. The Yucatan Peninsula and Chiapas has 90% Mayan / Mestizo population.
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Mangudai
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Posted: 01-Mar-2005 at 12:09 |
Not Asians then, but it's wrong anyway. There is no skin-tone difference between nordic poeple and smi, but there is a difference between smi and asians
And the Eurasian map ought to show more variations, according to the map tibetans and spanish poeple have the same skin tone... Well I've never seen spaniards with this skin:
http://www.talismanpress.com/images/photos/tibetans_GH.jpg
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Posted: 01-Mar-2005 at 11:25 |
It doesn't show the Sami as Asians, it shows them as having a
particular skin tone range, the same as southern Europe incidently, are
you going to suggest that they are Asian too? Snce when is 'Asianness'
based on skin tone? Since never.
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Posted: 01-Mar-2005 at 05:41 |
Originally posted by Serge L
Above is the famous map of human skin pigmentation collected by R. Biasutti for native populations prior to 1940.
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I don't believe entirely on that map. Look at Asia - according to the map all asians have equally dark skin, which is not true since there are huge variations (uighurs and mongolians are darker than the average chinese etc). Also it shows the smi as asians (look at the Kola peninsula) and that's not true either
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