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    Posted: 04-Aug-2007 at 20:45
Calling Nezami a Turk when he wrote anti Turk poems is... misinformed.
 
Torki sefate vafaye ma nist
Torkane sokhan sezaye ma nist


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04-Aug-2007 at 21:24
The whole thread looks misinformed to me. Events that happened thousands of years ago are being turned around to suit political agendas of those that can think no further than their own backyard. If their backyard had an apple tree in it then they will spend the rest of their life trying to prove that the whole area grows apples when lemons, plums and peaches grow all around. The truth will always be out of reach of those who don't want to see any differences or similarities. But, what a boring world if we were all the same, we would be no more than ants in the dirt!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05-Aug-2007 at 00:14
Originally posted by Bulldog

Let me break it down for you Emil.

The origins of Azeri or Azeri Turk or Tork today is very simple.
 
- Oghuz Turk mass migration bought their language, identity and rule, mixed with the population already there are through time the area became majority Turk.
 
That is it, no need for conspiracies or fantasy stories of any particular ideology.
 
The reality of today is
 
Language - Azeri, Azeri Turkish, Azerbaycani Turkish, Turki or whatever classification you like to use.
 
Historically - The Khazars and post-Oghuz Turks, Selcuks, Timurids, Ilkhanids, Safavi, Qajars...
 
Culturally - Predominantly Oghuz Turk, the epics like "Dede Qorqud", "Oghuznama", "Koroglu", literary giants like "Fuzuli" (also Ottoman Turk), "Nesimi", "Sah Hatayi", "Bextiyar", "Shahriyar", the Afshars, Bayats etc important large clans part of the 24 Oghuz.
Also with elements of Caucaus, Persian and Arabic influences and fusions.
 
 
This is the origin, it is the origin as were speaking of a nation. There is only one race, being humans, so the origins of any people if we go far back enough is exactly the same.
 
Prior to Turks there were many empires and peoples in the land that is now Azerbaycan.
 
There were even "Azari" speakers, Azeri have nothing to do with them, there language was completely seperate. In Iran, Azari are rightly referred to as "Tork" (Turk) as Azari was a seperate language.
 
Now Diniyev, it would be better if you stopped insulting members and starting pointless arguments.
Who cares about "whiteness" or whatever, whiteness, race, dna etc has nothing to do with a nation, a nation is made up of many peoples who unite around common factors.
This is the same the world over.
 
So your not a Turk Emil? you don't support a Turkic union? since when? has someone stolen your identity LOL 



Its clearly known that turkic tribes from central asia assimilated Azeris. Cause we are not from asia, and have nothing like asia and have not asian featrues (Some have mongoloid but is minorty, and they is from invaders) while i can see turks of turkey have.

And our culture have nothing to do with turkic culture.

Our CUlture is Caucasus culture.

We are South-Caucasian.

Like it or not, i m not mongol.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05-Aug-2007 at 01:28
And most of Azerbaijani People in Azerbaijan Republic, dont feel self as turk.

We are not T.U.R.K.

In Iranian Azerbaijan u can find many because most of them is not Azeri but Turkmens.

We are close to Georgians, then any other else.

We are most close to Georgians, Dagestanis, Armenians and North Iranian tribes.

I dont see any common thing beetween turks and Us.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05-Aug-2007 at 02:33
Just give me an fact that shows Azeris is turkic people.

We Dont look asian, we dont have asian culture, we dont have asian music.

Give me a fact.

Only fact is languague.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05-Aug-2007 at 03:08
so azeris think that they are more close to armenians than Turks?
 
Body, You should be unique..
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05-Aug-2007 at 03:23
What u saying? armenian? Not armenian but they feel them selfs as South-Caucasian.

They feel them selfs what they are.

Came to Azerbaijan and ask self.


U see this map? There is no turkic people in this area that Calls (South- Caucasus). We are native of this land and we are South-Caucasians.



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05-Aug-2007 at 03:34
yeah after all, south of it is iran and there are no azeris in iran..
 
They are turkmens who think they are azeri.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05-Aug-2007 at 03:40
Originally posted by Mortaza

yeah after all, south of it is iran and there are no azeris in iran..
 
They are turkmens who think they are azeri.
 
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05-Aug-2007 at 03:47
Ye many of them are, beleive or not.

Azeri Population in Iran is not about 24% is less, and most of them ar Turkmens.

Beleive it or not, thats a true.

And like i said, give me an fact that shows Azeris is Turkic.

I m waiting.

Pan-Turks is very funny.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05-Aug-2007 at 03:56
I am agree with u about panturkism being funny. A lot  of Pan-Turkism claims are simply ridiculous.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05-Aug-2007 at 04:05
Emil, be sure I am the last one who care for pan Turks.(Personaly, I prefer arabs, bulgarians or bosnak friendship because Turkey is at middle east and balkan not central asia.)
 
But you are becoming funny. I am sure everyone know who they are.. So  I am sure these turkmens at iran know who are they too.. (They dont need your observations about them)
 
I think instead of teaching others what is their nation, You should learn your own nation..
 
I can believe you, If only I could refuse to believe azerbayjan pm, azeris living in iran and azeris who live in Turkey..
 
so body, You have one voice and there is at least one million voices against you..
 
Why dont you forsake to persuade us?
 
If you persuade bodies at stormfront, I will accept what are you saying..
 
 
good wishes from your white friend..
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05-Aug-2007 at 04:21
Mortaza please give me some facts that show Azerbaijan is an Turkic country.

Only Fact is languague.

I can give u a facts that shows Azerbaijani people is not turkic.

www.world66.com
The Azeri constitute 90% of the population of the Republic of Azerbaijan and belong to the Caspian type of South-Eastern Europoid race.


One Information from Wikipedia.

recent evidence from Genealogical DNA tests show that the modern Azeris of the republic of Azerbaijan genetically cluster the closest with the peoples of the Caucasus (such as the Georgians and the Lezgians)





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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05-Aug-2007 at 04:25
pardon me but, isnt It enough for you that million of people call Azerbaijani as Turkic country .(Of course not, You just showed you dont care what people think even about themself.)
 
Yeah, If you go history you can find different things but why dont you just go 50000 year back and try to become an ape?
 
why are you stoping pro-turkish times go back and back.. You can find true nature of you.Ermm
 
For now, Your people are turkish. whatever you say does not matter, what ever I say does not matter too.. Persuade them..
 
Be sure I wont call anyone turkic who dont call himself as Turkic..
 


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05-Aug-2007 at 04:39
We are not turkic.

Man can't u see it?

We are native of this country, and u can see it in our featrues.

And i m nature of this Country i m 100% Azeri.

There is no Difference beetween an Azeri From Azerbaijan Republic and an Georgian.

But there is many difference beetween Azeri from Azerbaijan republic and Turk from Turkey.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05-Aug-2007 at 04:50

persuade your people not me.. dont forget also your people who live at iran and turkey..(of course, If all of them are not turkmen.)


 

 
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came to Azerbaijan and ask self, most will answer to u that they is South-Caucasian not turco/mongol.

And tell me if these people looks turkic.
 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05-Aug-2007 at 05:35
Here's the problem.  A "Turk" is no longer viewed as someone of a particular physical appearance.  He can be anyone from a very Mongolian-looking Bashkir, to a blonde-haired man from Istanbul.  The more west Turks have migrated, the more "western" or "European" they look.  You can show us as many pictures as you can, but from our point-of-view, the idea of "Turk" has no physical meaning.  So, when you ask us "if these people look Turkic" the question means nothing to us, since "Turkic" has no "look" (at least today) but the term is better suited as a linguistic classification (and even here, the linguistic classification poses some problems).  Again, it is no longer a physical category. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05-Aug-2007 at 05:43
Originally posted by Emil_Diniyev

And tell me if these people looks turkic.

People of Turkey do not look Turkic either, except for a small minority. So what's your point?

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05-Aug-2007 at 06:02
Firstly is not just about looking.

Secondly i can easy see that Turks Of Turkey many of them have asiatic featrues, but European too of course.

And even name of Azerbaijan is not Turkic.

I just say that we are native of South-Caucasus.

Cause our Featrues shows that.

And our Culture is 100% Caucasus culture with some Iranian mixtures.

There is nothing in our culture that is turkic. Nothing !.

But u Pan-Turks can u guys give me some fact that we are Turk?

I m waiting.








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