Turkic Peoples

 

They are members of a broader nation.

 

For example, a Lebanease is Lebanease but a Lebanease person can also be an Arab, a Lebanease Arab or just use Lebeanease.

 

It depends on the person.

 

In the same way somebody can say I'm a Kazak, I'm a Turk, I'm a Kazak Turk, depending on the person.

 

The Brittish commonwealth is completely different, a Ghanean is not English and doesn't have any connection.

 

 

Sarmat Concerning the Popp's link you posed. Even he writes that Nazarbaev didn't mean "Turk"

 

 

Now once again plain and simply Sultan Nazarbayev says,                  "I'm a Turk".

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I don't know why your finding this so confusing.

 

Nazarbayev openly states, "he is a Turk", however, this doesn't mean he's from Turkey, it just means that he is a Turk.

 

Somebody doesn't have to come from "Turkey" to be a Turk.

I gave an example in my previous post regarding Lebanease or Algerian.

Somebody can be Lebanease, that person cannot be Algerian, these are two identities however, they also have an identity/nation which can be used to join them "if" they use it and that is the Arab connection.

 

In the same way, Nazarbayev is a Turk and so are Turks of Turkey so this nation unites them but they also have their differences, Kazaks and Turkey.

 

Sarmat Seko also put a citation which says that Nazarbaev views union of Turkic states as a vague, artificial structure

 

Today one of the biggest pushers of Turkic states forming some form of union and integration is Nazarbayev.

 

 

Sarmat But besides that there are Uzbekistan, Kyrgyzstan and Kazakhstan and also millions of Turkic speakers living in Russia and China and other countries. Did their leaders officially proclaimed that "we are one nation with Turkey"

 

Turkic people's of Russia are a part of Russia, they can't speak on behalf of all of Russia and can't be making any seperatist comments.

 

However, independant Turkic states can voice their views, stances and proposals more freely.

Its nothing new what is being said, the peoples of the region were all Turkistani before, Turks have been united and divided before in history, if they choose to move towards unity again that is their choice and should be respected,

 

Sarmat As a Russian, I can say I am Slavic, Poles, Bulgarians, Czechs are also Slavic. We could be "Slavic brothers" but we are not ONE NATION.

 

That's up to Slavic peoples to decide.

Its up to them how they wish to percieve themselves. If Russians and Ukranians decided that their Slavic connection can unite them and it was in their interests to integrate that's up to them.

 

 

 

 

 

When minorities reach a certain size unfortunately they tend to be viewed as a "problem". Its no secret that from the Stalinist era the Soviet policy was to clamp down on Turkic groups and get rid of intellects which don't accept the official Soviet point of view. Any mention of Turkistan, Turkistani's, regional unity etc was enough to be charged as a Pan-Turkist.

 

It will take a few generations but this impact is slowly being reversed and changed.

 

 

Sarmat What Nazarbaev said is that he believes himself to be of Turkic origin, this signifies ties and common roots with other Turkic speakers, but it doesn't mean that he believes, "they all are one nation"

 

Again, your putting words into his mouth and trying to twist what he said.

 

Its very clear.

 

"I am a Turk". They are his words, Turk is a nation which stretches beyond borders, he can be a Turk so can a Turk from Afganistan and so can a Turk from Turkey, it doesn't mean that they're all identical but they can use the term "Turk" if they wish.

 

 

Sarmat I've been many times in Central Asia including Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan and Kyrgystan.

 

So have I and many relatives, my experience was completely different, when you can talk the language people open up more to you

 

And we can all tell stories......

 

If its an illusional than that's your opinion, you shouldn't be very bothered then, if Turks see themselves as part of a broader nation than that's up to them, if they don't that's up to them.

But there isn't alot you can do about the leaders of the Turkic states openly stating they are part of a Turk nation, its their decision regardless of your views.