16th Turkish General Election, 2007

 

Fetuhullah Gulen is no efendi. He is a subversive Islamofascist who is a big AKP sponsor. Same with Harun Yahya (Adnan Oktar). Do a search on the latter and his banning of internet sites and dismissal of journalists in Turkey who happened to oppose him. Along with the AKP these authoritarians are the biggest threat to Turkey's secularism and freedom of the press. Real freedom of press and not some caricature of a story either.

 

Inept Murad V was in power for a few days at that. Islamofascists love Abdul Hamid II as their idol. Reminds them of the glory days of religiously totalitarian government.

 

Mersin and Osmaniye may have a strong CHP base. I really don't know the reasons for MHP support.

 

 

 

Surely Democracy has been a proven form of government where every citizen has a voice. How that democracy is constructed varies from country to country. Just as there is no ideal democractic state the same goes for an Islamic country. Take your pick. Egypt, Malaysia, Iran, Saudi Arabia. Which one is the true Islamic republic? The secularists concerns are that governments, such as the AKP, will try to break down the voice of the military, the protector of secular rights in Turkey, through democratic means. Then change or deny those democratic rights once power is achieved. AKP strong arm tactics have already been evident in many walks of life. The AKP knows that the military is watching, yet complains to Europe that the miliary is in the way of true Democracy and hence a path to the EU. That is politics. No trust gained there. Also much funding to the AKP is unaccounted for. Now they are now trying to create a new AnaYasa (Law) to protect Gul and his money trail. Immunity from prosecution.  

 

By Yahya submitting the AKP with his books on creationism he is actually trying to have his books passed onto the schools. Creationism is a theory. However, there are alternative theories. There is room for both. You can call yourself an Islamofascist if you so choose but that doesn't make you one. I assume you don't have the follwowing or the power to implement a fascist agenda.

 

Surely you are capitalizing on Turkey's current events. Many Arabs I know pay close attention as well. However, they really want an Islamic Republic ASAP. That is their wish and maybe yours too.

 

 

 

 

 

 

You assume, I think, that all "Islamists" want an Islamic republic that might be on the Iranian model, well I am sorry to tell you that there is no such thing. Brotherhood Islamists want power for power's sake. The concept of Republic, which means that the state is responsible to the people, simply is non existance in their literature. These people care nothing of what Islam says about the importance of people's livelyhoods and the promotion of justice and rule of law. Their whole literature is one of submission, submission of the state and the people to the ruler without any opposition, any one who opposes is not a muslim and should be imprisoned or even killed. The concept of election for some of them is even contradictory to Islam and when you face them with serious questions they shun you and change the question. In recent years however, certain segments of the Islamist movement that tried to reform such thought from within, but the partriarch of the Islamist movements, the youngest leader of the brotherhood is about 73 years young, almost claimed that they are apostates because they not only believe in true democracy and have done alliances with secularists and accept and respect the laws and do not force change on people who do not want change, but because they attract more secularists than Islamists. Even young well educated people who would be called fundamentalists are keen in supporting democracy and have nothing against secularists as long as they obey the rules of argument and law and not try to force people to do things they do not like. As for Arabs wanting an "Islamist" Turkey, well I will assure you they do not. We already have an "Islamic Republic" in Iran that wasted their people's money on pointless adventures that lost them any sympathy from the Arabs after what has been hapening in Iraq. I know relatives who were so pro-Iranians that we suggested that they should immigrate there but know unfortunately pray day and night that the US destroy Iran. What Arabs really want is a friend that leaves the Arabs alone and cooperate in solving mutual differences through dialog not brute force.

 

Al-Jassas

 
I am realy curious If that is only a slogan, why do army use it for defining her enemy? It is not a just slogan.

 

Like most people, You are underestimating brain of a laz.. It is sad, You are not aware of meaning of this slogan.

 

Maybe you are dummer than a laz? I am living in Turkey my friend and I know what is "how happy I am turk" and why It is used.

 

I am just not talking about writing this words at the mountain or kurdish cities.(Like mardin, It consist only arabs and kurds.) I am sure arabs and kurds have not much interest about correlation between happiness and turks.

 

 

Yeah. By army and 28 subat coup.. You realy care for law and democracy. arent you?

 

Funny, you accuse someone because he is accused by army. (just for info, when Fetullah fleed to USA, same times, head of MIT also fleed from Turkey.)

 

Will you call head of MIT as islamofasist(Islamofasist is a word used by bush. We dont use it in Turkey.) too.

 

By the way, Yahya have no relation with AKP(He was writing his books much more before than AKP. It is also funny you follow his job from USA because in Turkey, we dont.).

 

That is problem of people like you.. You love to accuse AKP so much, You dont care If you are talking about reality or not..

 

well, at least this is better to claim, erdogan gul and arınc as jews.

 

Musanın muhalefeti

 

The AKP knows that the military is watching, yet complains to Europe that the miliary is in the way of true Democracy and hence a path to the EU. That is politics. No trust gained there. Also much funding to the AKP is unaccounted for. Now they are now trying to create a new AnaYasa (Law) to protect Gul and his money trail. Immunity from prosecution.  

 

what a lie. If their aim was to protect Gul, They can do this without new anayasa. Only a law is enough..

 

Secondly, How do you claim gul as guilty? are you judge? If not, why do you think, you have that rights?

 

For your info, 47% of Turkish people trust innocence of AKP and Gul(Otherwise they wont vote for them.) and dont tell 53% of them are against Gul and find him as guilty.(I am sure you prefer not to talk, instead of dtp or rp, mhp or chp. You should choose one.)

 

Infact, You dislike anayasa change, because It is made by army.

 

Personaly, I dont want to be rule by an anayasa produced by fasist army organization. (like majority of Turkish people.)

 

Also no need to fear, anayasa change will be voted by people. You will again see result like 22 temmuz.

 

Trust your own people. (I am talking about Turks not americans.)

 

 

 

One more thing. Regarding the AKP mentality. Surely the economy of Turkey has been helped by a resurgence in business. Reshaping the lira. No more millions to make one dollar. Promises to the poor. However, this is a process my friend. The AKP has an agenda from day one. Whether you or or like it or not it is now going full blast. Not too long ago, oh 2004 for instance. Your wonderful party tried to propose a more stringent law than the one that existed prior to 1996 (which was overturned that year) for adultry. Thanks to the women of Turkey pressure was placed on the government to reject the bill.

 

Lastly, those other parties that you flash in defense of your every post, they are not threats to the state of Turkey as we have known it for eighty years. I have much faith in Islam but very little faith in those who try to make it a regulation of state affairs. That is the main difference. You have been correct regarding corruption by the other parties, as well as AKP, however those 'other' parties have not held the majority for two elections either!