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    Posted: 13-Jul-2007 at 09:58

im not trying to be funny here but this is a topic ive recently studied in my history class based on fact or fiction tales

because ive only recently learnt about it

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  Quote Josip Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13-Jul-2007 at 11:11
When I was doing an essay on William Wallace, I came across the theory that Robin Hood is basically a rip-off of him. Other than that, no idea. 
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  Quote King John Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13-Jul-2007 at 12:20
An English Historian, named Ralph V. Turner, has done some studies on "Robin Hood." Prof. Turner has done extensive work on King John, so if anybody has the answer to that question it would be in one of his books. You could also check in W.L. Warren's book King John there might be an answer there as well. Also take a look at J.C. Holt who wrote a book entitled Robin Hood.

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  Quote gcle2003 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14-Jul-2007 at 08:47
My own reading of the Robin Hood legend is that it is a myth developed in the 13th century to foster and explain the cementing of the Saxon and Norman peoples into the English, notably through Robin's (Locksley's) swearing of allegiance to Richard.
 
Ironic because Richard wasn't particularly an English king in fact, but legend made his reign the turning point (which actually came later, arguably under Henry III/Edward I.) 
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  Quote Penelope Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15-Jul-2007 at 00:20
Most people agree that Robin Hood never even existed. But at the same time, some believe that he is merely based on a famous peasant revolutionary from Wakefield. Which would in turn mean that the story itself originated in Yorkshire, not Nottinghamshire, setting the original story in the 1320s.
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ezycompany, I agreed with Penelope
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  Quote Paul Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15-Jul-2007 at 09:27
Robin Hood gained popularity in the Medieval mind in the 14th century, just after William Tell, which leaves a lot of scholars believing he was just an anglacized version of William Tell.
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  Quote gcle2003 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15-Jul-2007 at 10:32
Originally posted by Paul

Robin Hood gained popularity in the Medieval mind in the 14th century, just after William Tell, which leaves a lot of scholars believing he was just an anglacized version of William Tell.
 
But Tell did not swear allegiance to the Austrians.
 
It's fundamental to the Hood myth that, although Saxon, he accepts a Norman king. (Though not a Norman tyrant or usurper.)
 
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But all the royal stuff probably came later as properganda by the government to make a radical legend conservative.
 
A villian who robs from the rich and gives to the poor is a menace to the state. One who swears allegiance to a rightful king isn't. None of the ealry legends mention he is anything but a villain and disgree on the period.
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Someone has blocked or is blocking me from being able to post on the blue boar Robin Hood forum anymore. So i have to post this that i worked on on last 1-2 wholedays here instead. There were a few RH threads/topics in search forum so just had to pick one.

(Keep getting forbidden, no permission to post reply there today. More persecution from Rome. Or have i been banned there because i said a few negative bits? Always the way, dirty rotten secret blockings etc against me that no one else knows about. (Sorry if it possibly wrong paranoia, but is strange thing & timing that never happened before.) I tried to use my years old other yuku account (i hope i don't get banned for multiple accounts, i had troubles when first joint years ago) but seems to have been deleted or else not remember/noted right password or username. I tried to create a new account there but still blocked from posting permission.)

Threads/topics on blue boar i was trying to reply to:
theblueboarinnrobinhooddiscussions.yuku.com/topic/1114/interesting-questions-andor-tidbits
theblueboarinnrobinhooddiscussions.yuku.com/topic/1115/Rob-Hod-Pipe-Roll-entry-E37270-12261227
(and theblueboarinnrobinhooddiscussions.yuku.com/topic/1106/Robin-Hood-lists-etc?page=3 )

A new timeline attempt. (Was going to post the timeline in "RH lists" thread/topic and the comments in the tidbits thread, but have to do in one post now.)

876 Ivar the Boneless
1042-1189 utlaga/utlagi
1066 hastings/senlac
1070s Hereward the Wake
1065/72/1075 Waltheof (son Robert (Ranulf earl of Chester))
1080 Brunn/Bourne (Lincs);
1086 Doomsday book;
1095-1272 Crusades
"clues date to (lat) 11th cent" (RH legend)
11th & 12th cents Marian cult reached apogee in W Europe
b1110-d1165 Sir Robert Foliot
1111 Owain robberies
1111 Dunmow bacon
1120-9 Ranulf le Meschin 3rd Earl of Chester
1123 first park (woodstock)
1127 wild hunt in sky observed by people
1129-53 Ranulf de Gernon 4th Earl of Chester
1138 Peter of York, John of Beverley, Wilfrid of Ripon
1138 Scots raid N England, Abp appeal 'men of Sherwood'
1140 new bridge over trent
1140 Nott burned
1140-1194 outlaws
1141 battle Lincoln, appeal to 'men of Sherwood'
1153 Nott burned
1154-1189 Miller of Mansfield (300 pounds) (Henry 2)
1156 Nott town wall rebuilt
1160 "RH born" (Ritson 1795)
1160-1218 St Robert (Flower) of Knaresborough
1160/c1200-1220 Richard de Legh (Lord of West Hall, Legh, Cheshire)


1166 Robert son of Odo of Lochesleia Warwicks
1166-1553 Molyneux family of Loxley Warwicks
1175 Edwinstowe
1179 William Trussel/Russell
1179 Richard de la Lee & his bro Hugh set free an unnamed prisoner
1181 "a boy named Robert sacrified by the Jews"
1181-1232 Ranulf de Blondeville 6th Earl of Chester
"1185 RH's supposed escape from prison"
"1188 RH & LJ Whitby Abbey/Laths"
1189-1199 K Richard 1 chased "hart" from Sherwood to Barnsdale
by 1190 drop in merchant & trading traffic, rise in religious
1190s Robertus filius Odonis (liber niger sicarrii) *
1191 priest or monk of pipe-roll [supposed to be similar to RH & Monk]
1191/4/7 Robert de Hood/Huda (Northants, 7 entries piperolls)
1191-1221/1254 Robert de Huntingdon le Scot
1194 storming/siege of Nott Cas by K Rich
1196 "Fitzodo of Loxley is no longer a knight"
c1196 Robert fil Alan de Ridale;
betw 1160-1196? 'master R' (of church of welburn, ridale letters);
1196/1202/3 (sir) robert (fitzodo/fitzooth) (of Harbury/Loxley/Uttoxeter)
1198 Robert de Hood (Cumberland/Cumbria)
1198 Herkelea, Rogsi
1198 / 9th Rich 1 "RH died" (RH grave, Major HMB 1521)
1199 "RH & LJ" (Rapin's)
1199 Rob de Hodelme *
1199 Will Scarlet (Somerset)
"12th cent" LJ's Shot (Dublin)
1200s Robin more pop than Robert
1200 : 15 kts sent after Fulk Fitzwarin (Shrops/Welsh)
1200-1215 Giles Bp of Heref
1202 Ragnild wife of John Hood
1202-3 Baldwin (de) Hod(e)net;
1205-9 extension of Nott castle
1206 Robert Hod (Lincoln assize roll) *
1210 robber (rule of St Francis);
1210/1225/1226/1227/1265 Robert de Kyme (of lindsey/at wenlock) outlaw (grievious offenses); *
c1212-6 robert son of robert fitzwalter
[c1213] Major Oak 800 yrs old
1213 Robert Hood (servant of Abbot of Cirencester, Gloucs)
1216 "R." chaplain of Robert Fitzwalter
1218 Livery giver
1221&2 Linton near Wetherby in St Peters lands/juristicion
1223-30 Robert Hod witness deed at Follifoot next to Plumpton park fro Will de P & Rob de P;
1224 franciscans & dominicans in England (Henry 3)
1225/6-34 Robert(i) Hod outlaw/[felon?] (cross, St Peter 1234); *
1225 Robert Hod (Bucks);
1225 Hod fled;
1226-7 Robert Hod fugitive, Iuonis/Ivo Marton, William Warin Ottringham Holderness *
1226-30 Robert (of) Wetherby
1227 forest laws
undated 13th C 'lib niger' 'Robert Fitzodo/Fitzothoh'.
ear 13th cent : 2 inscribed bells of Skelbrooke church


1227-28 Hobbehod  (St Peter's York 1227) (Owen). *
1229-30 Robert(i) Hood fugitive/[felon?] & Iuonis *
c1230 pre-cricket
c1230/34 Robert Hod (Worcs)
1230/1240 RH (Berks)
1231 sir robert thwing of danby;
1233-4 Robert Hod S Petr cross in Grimston *
1234 Robert Odde (Somerset)
1237 Robert Hod (Devon)
1241-63 Robert Hod de Linton (Wetherby) *
1242 Robert son of Eudo
1242/5/7/8 Robert/Robertus (de/of) lokeslay/lokesley/Lockesly/locksley
1242-3 RH de Linton
1242/1250s Henry 3's Assize of arms
1244 Dunmow bacon
1247/1274 "RH died" (RH grave, Ritson 1795)
1248 Gilbert Blanchard
1250 Grey friary Nott
1251-3 Sherwood/Shirewood
1254 william de Cauntelo buried Studley
"1254 Robert de Huntington pardoned"
1258 unknown William Tuk
1260s Robert Hod (Yorks) *
1260s/1265/c1272/1276 Roger Godberd outlawed?

1261/2 William de Fevre / (William) Robehod/Rabunhod (Berks)

1262 St Richard of Chichester
1263 RH Hereford,  
1264 Robert de Ferrers outlawed
1265 Baron's revolt
1265-72-1307 Edw 1st
1266 Will de Grey Sh of Nott in conflict with outlaws in Sherwood *
1266 "Robert Hood & LJ, disinherited [Lincs], sicarius, mass, piety, c1266" "k H3 & prince Ed 1" (Fordun/Bower 1440).
1267-70 Roger de Doncaster (Nott)
1271 hats first mentioned (Henry 3)
1272-1307 "RH, Sherwood" (Edw 1) (Polychronicon/Luxford)
1272 Nott, Leic, Derb, ways, woods nos of robbers... (Patent rolls)

1272 William Robehod (Berks)
1272 John Rabunhod (Hants);
1272 Alexander Robehod (Essex)
1274 Richard Hood [son of Rob Hood] of Sowerby
1275 Scarlet family (Blidworth)?
1275 / late 13th cent Gododdin
1276 Carmelite friary Nott
1279/80 "Scarlet Cross" [Scarlet Close?]
1279-81 brun Robin de North Coldone
1279-88 Sherwood/Shirewood
c1280 Jeu de Robin et Marion
1280 Eoth K's felon Connaught
1283 "LJ & RH Inglewood & Barnsdale" (Wyntoun's 1420).
late 1200s Sowerby forester John de Midgley
13th cent unnamed outlaw, Muskham chronicle

1283 Robertus Robehod of Walsham le Willows (Suffolk)
[1285] Roberdsmen/Robertsmen 13 Ed 1
1285 Statute Winchester Edward I everyman arms;
1286/1296 Gilbert Robehod/Robynhod (Sussex)
1287 William Scathlock (St Mary's);
1290 Sir Richard Foliot
1290 Edward tourn
later 13th cent : Edward 1 recruited men of Sherwood
1292 Broun Robyn de Holm of Holderness
1292 Hostel Robin Hod/RH Inn London
1292 little john & petit johan

1294 Robert Robehod (Hants);
1294 Robert 3 Butler (b 1275)
1294 Robert le Mouner [Miller] of Paynel Hoton 1294 (Skelbrooke)
1294/1297/1318 London councilor Robert Hod/Hoode
1295/1323/1337/1353 kt Richard de Touneley/Townley
1296-7 John Hood [of Sowerby]
1298-1304 exchequer/chancery at York
13th/14th cent setting of ear ballads
13th cent Haxey hood?
1300s (Gawaine &) Green Man
"14th cent Rich of Westminster/Cirencester's" 'ed Situ Britanniae'
14th cent peasants still oppresed & downtrodden
"there were no friars in Engl before the 14 cent"?
livery not til 14th cent?
1300-78 Robert "Litelrobyn"
1301/9 Roger de Doncaster; 1302 Roger of Doncaster
"1304" William Wallace "Scottish Robin Whood" (18th cent)
1305 robert/broun Robyn le Batour
1306 Barnsdale rife with robbers *
ear 14th cent Guard raised passing thru Barnsdale *
1307-27 Edw 2nd (sodomy, Berkeley castle)
1308/1314/16/23/47 robert hood of wakefield/bichill/locewode (& John Littsells, William Stoodley, Michael son of Miller);
1309/1331/32 robert (hood) the grave of wakefield/at alverthorpe;
1310 Rob(ert) de Brunn
1311 Roger Robelard/[robarde?]
"by 1316" "william de studley dead" (Wakefield court rolls)
1317 William de Trent (Stanton)
1318 Will(iam) Scarlet
1318 [liteljohn?]/John le Litel (band radiers)

1319 RH's Cross (Derby)
1319 defenders from York
1319-21 Richard de (la) Lee
1320-7 John de Montkyl & John Parker robbed TK of S (Edw 2)
1322 Little John of C0ckcroft
1323 Robert_le_brun
1323 investigations Royal Forests (Plumpton park)
1323 king Ed 2 in Lancs
1323 Edward 2 visit Nott
1323 Littel John (made off with deer, Yorks)

1323/4 Robyn Hode/Hodjadis porter K Edw 2 (Hunter) *
1324/6/7-1340/6 RH's Bay (correspondence); *
betw 1324-46 witteby
1324/6 Dean of Doncaster
1325 Katherine Robynhod (London)
1327-77 Ed 3rd (parliament 15 x York, ref to as oure cumly king c1339, Bernesdale in records of, aid from Saylis);
brother Robert of York (of Knaresborough, K Edw 3)
1327 roger son of william of doncaster
1327-8 Robert de Wodehouse (Pontefract?)
1328 tournament york
1329 goods carried away Skelbrooke
1330 Edward 3 crept into Nott
1330/1333-1515 longbow

1331 Roberdsmen/Robertsmen 5 Ed 3 (Statute Winchester)
1331 robert hood of newton (near wakefield) (Hunter)
1331-3 Robert de Wodehall
1332 Robert Robynhoud (Sussex)
1332 William de Skargill/Scargill
1332-3 Plumptoun Laund / Plumpton Hay, 1332-5 Plumpton walled in
1333 dangerous spot Galtres Yorks
1333 Roger de Doncaster
[1333 robert hode/hood of/at stanley?]
1335 parliament York
1340s York mystery plays
1341 Fordun (doesn't mention "RH & LJ 1266")
[1341/2] Rob./Robert de Edenstow/Edwinstowe 14/15 Ed 3
bef 1344 Richard de Leyes (Staffs)
1344 Satelites of Satan Fountains Abbey
1346-7 Saylis/Sayles contributed aid to K Edw 3
1346-9 Sherwood/Shirewood
1347/1374 "RH died".
1349 Richard Rolle at Hampole

1350-1520 merry/merrie england
1350-1550 2-handed longsword
last half of 14th & beg of 15th cent grievances of poor
1353 shire-reevs tourn in brighouse
1354 Robert Hood (Rockingham/Northants)
1354-67 John Litel
c1355 tournaments Edward 3
[1357] William (de) Trent of Gunthorp 30 Ed 3
1359 haxey hood;
1361-4 Sir Richard Vernon (Gascony 1361, pilgrim 1364) *
1363 royal writ K Edward 3, sheriffs proclaim everyman learn archery
1363 Robert de Edwinstowe
1366 roger de Bangwell rector of Dronfield in Doncaster
1367 Robert de Huntingdon (Yorks)
1369 Chaucer's Canterbury tales
1371"RH attended St Mary's ch adj to Nott Market" (G Kirkby)
1371 Mary patron St of Tailors Guild / Guild of St Mary
1372 Rober Hotot
1376 York mystery plays
Foliot lords of Wellow to late 14th cent
14th cent Gawaine & Green Knight
1376 Gower (Robin/Marian)


c1377 William/Robert (of) Langland 'Piers Plowman' (RH & Ranulf EofC)
1377 English
c1377-84 Fordun 'Scotichronicon' ("Robert Hood & LJ, sicarius, mass, piety, c1266")
1379 Agnes of Handworth & Robert Hode
1380 rob Peter to pay Paul (Wyclif)
1380 mayor John Gisbourne
1380 poll tax; 1380/1 peasants revolt (John Ball, Jack Straw);
1381 Hobb the Robber
1381 Robert Robynhoud (Sussex)
1381 Robert Hood of Hereford (merchant)
1382 pardon of Robert Dore "Robin Hood"
1382/1409 William Tempest of Studley
1388 4th black death/pest
c1390 The Merchant's Surety **
1393 uprising Cheshire/Chester
1394 Richard 2nd visits Chester
1394 Sir Guy of Warwick
"no Robert of Huntingdon bef 1397"
1397 archers Cheshire/Chester
1400 Brunn/Bourne (Lincs)
1410 "RH was here" Lincoln cathedral
1410/1420 'Linc Cath Lib Ms' ("RH in Sherwood", 1st RH song/rhyme)
1412/1414 roberthoad (a woman)
1414 most friars expelled
1417-29 Robert Stafford "Frere Tuk" (chaplain from Lindfield Sussex)
c1420 Wyntoun's Orygynale Chronicle ("LJ & RH Inglewood & Barnsdale 1283").
1422 RH's Stone, Slephil (Monkbretton Priory cartulary)
1429 legal maxim (RH in Barnsdale),
1429 Piers Venables likened to RH
1432 "RH in Grene Wode in an acrostic in a Parliamentary return"
1432 Reynoldyn (in comic list of outlaws in the Wilts parliamentary rolls)
1438 Robene Hude (ship, Aberdeen)
1439 misdoers in Derbyshire "like Robyn Hode"
1440 Bower revised Scotichronicon interpolation ("Robert Hood & LJ, Barnsdale, disinherited, sicarius, mass, piety, c1266")
1441 Robynhodesmen (Norfolk)
1444 William Tempest of Studley
1444 Richard Robinson a servant in household of Earl of Shewsbury
later half of 15th cent enclosures, Livery
after 1450 / 1465 / 15th cent RH & the Monk (earliest ballad, LJ knows paths Sherwood well, Nott);
c1455 Vernon (Yorkist).
1456-60 John Robhode/Robewode of Walsham
1460 an unknown monk / Witham priory chronicle /  'Polychronicon' margin, 'Luxford note' (RH, Sherwood, Edw 1) (2009).
1460 robbers; 1461 robbers;
1461-93 comely K Edward 4th reigned 22yrs (merchant king, Tanner of Tamworth);
1468 RH & the Potter (Wentbridge, Nott, unnamed forest)?
1469 Robin of Holderness / robin of redesdale
c 1470s/1475 RH & the Sheriff (earliest Friar Tuck ref)
1485 RH's Close Notts
1488/1489 Robin Goodfellow(’s brother) (Yorks); 1488 Hodekin;
1492 Star Chamber complaint (RH & his men)
1498 Roger Marshall of Wednesbury "RH" (Staffs)
after 1400s RH's Tower Richmond Castle
c1500 Gest (Saylis, went at a bridge, Barnsdale, St Mary's York, (forest close to) Nott, Kirklees)
c1500 Barclay's Ship of Fools (RH or MM)
1500s RH & LJ Inn Hatfield
c1503 RH & the Potter?
1509-47 alleged Robin Hood from the reign of Henry the 8th
1518 May games (Somerset) (Robin Wood)
1521 Major HMB
c1540 Leyland's Collectanea Itinerary
1540 rob Peter to pay Paul
1544-51 katherine & john robhood
1548 wake-robyn/robin_Wake
c1568 Kirk-o-Fields
1569 Grafton (way)
1584 Reginald Scot (Robin Goodfellow, Hodekin);
1592 Stow's AoE (rib rich give poor)
1598 RH('s) Buttes Cumberland/Cumbria
late 16th cent Shakespeare
1598/1601 Munday (Robert E of Hunt)
1600s Dodsworth
1607 Camden
1609 Guy Fawkes & assocs branded "RHs" by Robert Cecil
1622 RH Tower York
1622 Drayton's Polyolbion
c1637 Jonson 'Sad Shepherd' (RH)
1652/1680 LJ's grave St Michael's Hathersage (Derby)
1673 RH's Butts (Surrey);
17th cent Broadside ballad (1st appearance Alan a Dale)
mid-17th cent Percy Folio ms
1700 RH's Cave / woods of Bishops hill
1700 1st RH placename Sherwood
1765 Percy
1786 John Little (Beeston, Notts)
1795/1820/32 Ritson ("RH born 1160, died 1247/1274 at 87 yo")
18th cent William Wallace "Scottish Robin Whood" ("1304")
1818 Sir W Scott 'Ivanhoe'
1852/83 Hunter (RH of Newton)
1883 Pyle
1911 Encyc Britannica
1936 Owen (Hobbehod)
1957 R Graves
1976/7/1997 Dobson & Taylor
1982/9 Holt
1984 Carpenter/ITV Robin of Sherwood
1985 Bellamy
1987 Keen
1991 RH Prince of Thieves
1994/97/2003 Stephen Knight
1997 Child
2001 B Green (Yorks)
1997/2007 Ohlgren
2009 Luxford (1460)
2009 JP Davis 'Unknown Templar'
2010 Baldwin (Godberd)

Comments:

At this time of year we wonder about the RH Grave inscription "24 kalends Dekembris" [or "18 November"] "1247" [or "1347"].

Regarding the Bishop of Hereford [or Ely] there is a question of if the "Bishop's Tree" is actually genuine or not, and so whether the bishop was traveling between Hereford/Ely and York, or if was a local Hereford/Ely Robin Hood separate story merged in.

I wonder if Robin Goodfellow indicates Roger Godberd?
Jolly Robin and Jolly Roger??
Bonny Robin and Br(o)un Robin??

Re 400 pounds of Sir Richard, i found 300 pounds in the Miller of Mansfield which supposed to be set in Henry 2nd's reign.

I always still wonder if Chaucer's Canterbury Pilgrims connect with Robin Hood. It is just so strange that quite a few characters so similar.
Chaucer -- RH:
Knight -- Sir Richard at Lee
Squire -- Little John?
Yeoman -- Robin Hood?
Prioress -- Prioress of Kirklees
nun --
monk -- RH & the Monk? Tuck?
Friar -- Friar Tuck
Merchant -- cf Robert Dore of Wadsley?
Clerk of Oxenford --
Barrister/Sergeant-at-law --
Franklin --
poor parson - similar to - Robin Hood.

RH & LJ & WS
Robert Bruce, John Balliol, William Wallace??

From the new timeline we post in the RH lists thread:

We have divided/broken the timeline into sections with the breaks at places of seeming significant historical Robin Hood dates.
Strange that St Richard may suggest date later than Hobbehod. (Could St Richard also imply anything else about Sir Richards name or location??)

1166-c1377 seems to be the maximum range for Robin Hood candidates.
It is interesting that 3 witnesses/sources claim RH was in 1266-1283 time period (Bower, Polychronicon, Wyntoun). (Though why didn't Fordun mention?) This is time of Godberd (& Foliiot). Sheriff of Nott conflict with outlaws 1266, and numbers of robbers in 1272. Fits with St Richard.

Interesting that there are a few possible Lincoln(shire) RH connections: Kyme of Lindsey; Lincoln Green; Witham ms; Lincoln cathedral ms; [Sir Richard G & St Mary's Cathederal?] [Witham sword?]

I am puzzled by the Hobbehod versus Kyme dates and pros & cons.

K Edward 3 seems to have quite a few pros for being king of Robin Hood of the Gest. Gest says "Edward", and the "our (comely) king" implies writer/composer was contemporary while its date would be later rather than earlier. Edw 3 parliament 15 x York, Edw 3 ref to as oure cumly king c1339, Bernesdale in records of Edw 3 (in British History site, which i can't view unless pay for), Edw 3 aid from Saylis, crept into Nottingham, robertsmen, brother Robert of York [Friar Tuck candidate], tournaments, royal writ everyman archery. Plumptoun Laund / Plumpton Hay during Edw 3 reign.

Edw 1: every man arms, tourn 1290, recuit men of Sherwood, roberdsmen, polychronicon, statute Winchester everyman arms, barnsdale rife with robbers. Time of Robert Butler of Skelbrooke.

Edw 2 (of Hunter's theory): visited Nottingham, in Lancs (like in Gest), "sodomy" (like French claim of RH / merry men), Berkeley similar to Kirklees, investigation royal forests incl Plumpton Park, porter named RH (jadis may imply previously).

Edw 4th: 22yrs, "comely", merchant king, Tanner ballad.

I am wondering if a research more into the 6 or 7 main sources (Muskham chron, Lincoln cath ms, Wyntoun, legal maxim, acrostic, Bower, Witham, Monkbretton) might lead to further connections/leads/discoveries.

2 sicari dates: liber niger sicari 1190s, "sicarius 1266" of Bower.

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Yes Robin Hood is real and is Roger Godberd, now proven.

Robin Hood persons, places, etc.

Roger Godberd (& John Deyville) persons, places, etc.

Abbot of St Mary's

~ Simon of Warwick (justice in 1268) 1258/1263? Abbot of Gerewedon/Garendon (feast St Mary 1266)?

"Adam (step)father of Robin Hood"?

~ stepfather Anketil de Swaninton?

Alan/Allen-A-Dale (story alt told of Will Scarlet)

~ Garendon/Gerewedon (charter(s))? St Andrew the Apostle? Anketil of Swanington? Baldwin de Akeny? W de Helynn? Jocelin Deyville? Alan a Dale is a late entry so might possibly not be part of original history? [or ... de la ...? or Alanus Dale (Giffard 1266-79)?]

Bishop of Hereford

~ Gaol/Sheriff of Hereford (Godberd) [1275]? Abbot of Gerewedon/Garendon? [or John de Breton debts/owed/disappears c1255/1261/1265? "Hereford RH 1263" (Graham)? William Bereford justice of King's bench (Edw 1)? (John Romanus) Abp of York (hunt 9 days in yr) &/or Hugh de Stapleford (15 Edw 1)? Hugo de Hereford (Giffard)? Mr Symon de Hereford? Pardon to Henry de Penebrige Hereford 1267-8? Pardon from Abp to men of Stratford on Avon 1267?]

Bishop of Ely

~ Godberd robbed Stanley Abbey? [or Robert Deyville of Ely 1266/7? Robert Hod of Ely/Cambridge 1269?]

David of Doncaster

~ Walter Devyas/Deuyas/Deyvas/de Euyas/de Ewyas? J/R/N/J Deyville? Diva?

Dick Partington/Patrington

~ Richard de Gaham, parson of Schirlond?

Curtal Friar/F(f)rere Tuck(e)/Tuk(e) "of Fountains Dale/Abbey" ("chaplain", "lusty/bawdy", "wore an artificial phallus", "RH offers him a lady free", "Abbot of Misrule", fool)

~ Dick Partington/Patrington

~ Richard de Gaham, parson of Schirlond (of Roger Godberd's band)? [R Toks?]

[~ Parson of Chaucer's CTs?]

(Robin Hood) earl of huntingdon

~ Roger Gode-berd of Swaneton/swaninton/swanington? Anketil of Swanington? Gerewedon/Garendon?

Gandelyn/Gamelyn [Gam(e)well]

~ (Godberd came at) Gerewedon/Garendon? William fuiz le Chapeleyn? [Evesham? Kenilworth?]

Gilbert Whitehand

~ Herbert de St Quintin? or else Walter de Ewyas/Devyas/Deuyas/Deyvas/de Euyas? or (Roger) Godbert? [&/or St Giles?]

George a Green the Pinder of Wakefield

~ Geoffrey Godberd? Roger de Remes? Gilbert de Preston? Richard de le/la Vache/Wache? Baldwin Wake? Baldwin Akeny?

["Guy of Warwick"

~ lord Earl Warenn? See Sir Guy of Gisburn.]

High Justice

~ Reginald justice of Chester? or Simon of Warwick justice in 1268? [or J de Cobbeham (Justice)?] [or William Bereford justice of King's bench (Edw 1)? Geoffry Labley chief justice in Eyre of the k's forests north of Trent? Hugh Nevil justice of the forest?]

John Little/LeTall/Naylor of Hathersage (always count money, like brother to RH, "Scot", knows Barnsdale/Sherwood)

~ Et Sire Jo(h)n Deyville/D'Eyvile/deEyvill/deDaiville ("a man clever/cunning/canny (or hard or hot) & a warrior strong/doughty") (keeper of forests north of Trent) 1260s? or son John Deyville of Adlingfleet (served at Falkirk 1298)? or else John de Haversham? or John, son of John? and/or RG versus Jordan Le Fleming [cross Jordan river]?

King & Prince (Bower) / King Edward (Gest)

~ Lord Edward, later king Edward 1 1265/1272/1290/1298?

knight Sir Richard's son

~ Edmund son of Richard Foliot? or Roger son of Richard d 1274? [and/or son John 1298?]

Much/Midge (Michael/Mitch/Mickey/Mike) "the Miller's son" (sometimes replaces Will Scarlet as 3rd)

~ William de Mungumry? (or William de Maysam?) [&/or quindene/feast/day of St Michael / Michaelmas?] [or Nicholas de la Hus’?]

monk (in 'RH & the Monk')

~ "a certain monk killed there"?

[Parson (Chaucer)

~ RH? parson of Schirlond? Preston?]

Robin Hood / Robard Hude / Robin Goodfellow / gode Robyn / Robyn(e) Hode / Robin_A-liue / Robin of Loxley / Robert Hood earl of huntingdon ("gode yeman") [may be connection of RH with St Peter('s) (of York)?]

~ Roger (de) God-berd of Swaneton/Swaninton/Swanington (accused of & denies being "a public criminal of many burglaries, homicides, arsons, and robberies ...and ... larceny", "says that he has always thereafter conducted himself well and faithfully towards the said king and his heirs and everybody else", lands in Leic(ester(shire))/Leyc, son of Anketil of Swanington, at Gerewedon/Garendon) [compare Roger Robelard, Jolly Roger]? [and possibly Robert_le_Lou (lands in Northants)? and possibly Robert Deyville (family home at Hode/Hood 1264)?] [Godberd could mean good beard in connection with popish "St Peter" had bushy beard?]

Ranulf earl of Chester [~ killed a Ralph?]

~ Reginald de Grey (justice of Chester, Sheriff Nott)? and Godberd imprisoned at Chester? [and possibly steward of Earl of Chester?]

Reynold (Greenleaf)

~ Reginald de Grey? [and/or Reginald le Porter (Giffard)?] [Gerewedon/Garendon? Lea? Leic/Leyc?]

Sir Richard at Lee (as if 2 diff kts, changed livery 2nd visit)

~ Sir Richard Foliot (changed sides) 1263/4/1271/2? and/or Richard de la Vache/Wache? [and/or Sir John Deyville?]

Sheriff of Nott

~ Reginald de Grey? William de Grey in conflict with outlaws 1266? John de Balliol Sh of Nott?

Sir(e) Guy(e) of (Good) Gisb(o)urn(e) (capull-hyde) :

~ Warin [Guarin] de Bassingburne "who had died"? [+ "indicted/aquited for death of William fuiz le Chapeleyn?] [& eve St Giles 1264?]

Red Roger &/or sir Roger of Donkesly/Donkestere/Doncaster [cp Lancaster] [possible insider]

~ Roger de Remes? or Robert le Lou (knight, lands in Northamptonshire)? or Roger de Leukenore/Leukmore? [or (Sir) Roger de Doncaster/Denecastre/Donecastre (1266-79) (Giffard)? or Roger de Doncaster (Nott, 1267-70)?]

St Austin

~ Augustinians 1256? [or Newstead/NovoLoco of St Augustine c1170 (H2)?]

St Charity

~ St Calixtus [Caracalla] 1266?

St/Virgin Mary ("our dear lady")

~ "on Saturday next after the feast of the Nativity of the Blessed Mary" 1266? [&/or Margaret?]

St Quentin

~ Herbert de St. Quintin?

St Richard of Cirencester

~ St Richard of Cirencester 1262? Richard de Gaham, parson of Schirlond?

Sheriff's cook/butler

~ Nicholas de la Hus'? Ralph le Boteller?

Simon over the Lee, the Noble Fisher man (Robin Hood pseudonym) [Fisher King?]

~ Roger Godberd was of Swaneton/Swaninton/Swanington in Lei-cester (and served under Simon de Montfort Earl of Lei-cester)? [Gode-berd might mean good beard and link with Simon Peter who popists claim had bushy beard?]

"Thomas brother of RH" (~ Thom(s) on RH grave?)

~ Walter Devyas/Deuyas/Deyvas? Richard de Gaham? St Bartholomew? Stephen brother of Sir Richard Foliot? Thomas earl of Lancaster? Thom(s) on RH grave? Little John? Swannington? Jordan Le Fleming? Preston? [Thomas Furnivall? Thomas Deyville 1322?]

Will(iam) Scarlock/Scarlet/Gam(e)well) (earl of Maxfield, "cousin", sometimes replaced by Much as 3rd, story of Alan a Dale alt told of WS)

~ William brother of Roger Godberd? and/or William de Grey? or Parson of Schirlond? or William de Maysam? or (Walter Ewyas) indicted for murder of William fuiz le Chapeleyn? [or William le Wasteneys "who has died"?]

Will Stutley

~ Robert de Estutevill/Stutevill/Stute-vil(l)e/estotevile/estutevil(l)e/stotvile? [or Walter Devyas?]

William Goldsborough [Will Scarlet?]

~ William (brother of Roger) Godbert?

William aTrent

~ William (le) Wasteneys "who has died" (Godberd)?

[3/4: (Robin,) John, Will &/or Much

~ 3: Roger Godberd, John, William de Grey, Reginald? or Roger Godberd, John Deyville & Walter Devyas? or Roger Godberd, Roger de Remes, Nicholas de la Hus'?]

Merry Men / 7 score men

~ Godberd could call on a 100 men? "Reginald de Grey ... fighting outlaws in Notts, Leic, Derby"? Numbers of robbers... Notts, Leics, Derby, ways 1272? Wrongdoers/evildoers? [mainpernors?] William de Grey in conflict with outlaws 1266? K Edw recruited men of Sherwood? [his accomplices?]

[Bernesdale/Bernysdale/Barnsdale

~ feast of St Bartholomew? wood of Bullewell? Foliot's Fenwick? Ferresdale (Rufford recs)?]

[Gam(e)well/Gangreel [Gamelyn]

~ Fenwick/Fenwyk? [Evesham? Grymestone/Grimston 1264? Hampole? Campsall?] See Gandelyn/Gamelyn.]

[Kirklees/Kirkby/Bircklies/ChurchLees:

~ RH's grave Kirklees? charter Kirklees c1240? Sheriff Walter de Stirclerle/Stirkelegh 1274? vill Lea? Earl's Steigh? Mary of Edwinstowe? Kirk(e)by Fields/Moors? Kirklond/Birkland? Kirkby in Ashfield? Kirklington? Skelbrooke bell Ear 13th c (& Hampole)? Birkby (Giffard)? Birley/Berlay/Birlay? Berkelay? Kirkella/elvele/elveley? kirkeleye? Kirkleatham?]

Lee

~ Lewes 1264? a vill called Lea (12 mi east of Blythe, near Fenwick/Deighton)? Leyc/Leic(ester(shire))? la Vache/Wache? field of Bullewell? [or Annesley? Leen? The Meadows? Felley? Thurgaton A Lee? Haddlesey?]

Loxley

~ Kenilworth 1266/c1322 (Loxley manor granted to Kenilworth priory 1253)? Robert le Lou (lands in Northants)? Leic(estershire)/Leyc? vill called Lea east of Blythe? [or Lovely Grange Field (Aldox/Oldox/Oxton)? Broxtow? Luvereshale? Novo Loco (Newstead)?]

Lincoln

~ Lincoln? [London? Nicolas?]

(earl of) Maxfield

Montfort? Maysam? [axholme? adlingfleet?]

Nottingham

~ Nottingham? [&/or Northamptonshire? &/or Newgate Prison?]

Pass(es) of Lancaster/Lancashire

~ Bassingburne? feast of St Lawrence? Leicester(shire)?

Plumpton Park

~ feast of St Bartholomew?

[RH's Grave (stone / cross / tree / cave , road)

~ RH's grave Kirklees? RH's Crosse? Scarlet cross? Skelbrooke bell Ear 13th c? Hexgrave Park? rock near Blidworth? RH's Stone (Slephil)? Major Oak?]

[Saylis [salix]

~ ...? and/or Godberd robbed Stanley Abbey Wilts [Salisbury]? or St Calixtus 1266?]

Sherwood (LJ knew)

~ Deyvilles refuge as outlaws in Sherwood? Godberd in Sherwood/Charnwood? K Edw recruit men of Sherwood later 13th cent? Perambultion of Sherwood forest 1232/1286/7? parson of Schirlond? [Beskwode?]

Sir Richard's castle (doubled ditched, by rood)

~ Fenwick &/or Jordan castle.

Verysdale/Uterysdale

~ Ferresdale in Rufford charter? field of Bullewell? [or Wellow? Worsboroughdale? Barnsdale? Wetherby? Luvereshale (Giffard)?]

Wentbridge &/or "went at a bridge"

~ Went is north boundary of Fenwick? Jordan le Fleming? Bruges/Bridgenorth Shrops? Boroughbridge? [Otter Brigges? Heyterbridge?]

york

~ york? &/or Gerewedon/Garendon (feast St Mary 1266)?

[I think i saw some versions (like Noyes?) say RH died in a tower?

~ RG trial in Tower of London? RG died in Newgate Prison in 1276 in alternate source?]

RH b 1160 / fl 1266 (Bower) / 1283 (Wyntoun) / Edw 1 (Polychronicon)

~ Godberd 1260s/1265-1276? John Deyville 1260s unnamed 13th cent outlaw Muskham chronicle?

RH d dec 1247/1274

~ Godberd died 1276 / dead 1293? John Deyville died c 1291-5? [or Sheriff Walter de Stirclerle/Stirkelegh 1274?]

22 yrs pardon to death

~ 1272-1293?

3+ yrs ('RH & the Potter')

~ "4 yrs"? 1265-7? 1267-70? 1270-2?

7 yrs (Gest)

~ 1265-1267-1270-1272?

Sir Richard's ancestors 100 yrs knights

~ Foliots in 1110, 1165, 1270/2, 1290? [and compare RH 1160 to Godberd 1260s? and "1247/1274 or 1347/1374"?] [&/or Sir John Deyvilles ancestors?]

Robber, King's Felon, Outlaw/Wolfshead

~ outlawed follower of Montfort? RG outlawed 1265? "did not appear" (Jordan v Roger)? trespasses and forfeitures. charged with divers trespasses. "outlaws". accused of various crimes. accused of & denies being "a public criminal of many burglaries, homicides, arsons, and robberies ...and ... larceny". accused of poaching.

RH & LJ pardoned

~ "Godberd pardoned in 1266 / by K Edw 1"? or John Deyville member of K's household 1285?

400 pounds (unlikely after 1279)

~ John Deyville's settlement of a mortgage of 400 pounds to Abbot of St Mary's in 1276?

RH Refs: http://www.fresnostate.edu/folklore/ballads/C117.html , http://www.sacred-texts.com/neu/eng/child/ch117.htm , http://d.lib.rochester.edu/teams/text/gest-of-robyn-hode , http://d.lib.rochester.edu/teams/text/gest-of-robyn-hode-introduction , https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robin_Hood , http://www.sacred-texts.com/neu/eng/child/ch118.htm , http://www.sacred-texts.com/neu/eng/child/ch119.htm , http://theblueboarinnrobinhooddiscussions.yuku.com/forums/1/General-Robin-Hood-Discussions/General-Robin-Hood-Discussions , https://nottstalgia.com/forums/topic/14327-historical-robin-hood-search/?page=2 , http://midgleywebpages.com/skelbrooke.html , http://www.beautytruegood.co.uk/robin2.htm , 'piers plowman', A Noyes, Bower, Wyntoun, Muskham chronicle, Polychronicon, etc.

RG/JD Refs: http://www.robinhoodlegend.com/records-of-godberd/ , https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roger_Godberd , http://www.robinhoodlegend.com/robert-hod-cambridge/ , Muskham chronicle.





Edited by Arthur-Robin - 29-Dec-2016 at 20:40
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  Quote Arthur-Robin Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 28-Dec-2016 at 14:46

Just half a dozen additions to the table:

Simon over the Lee, the Noble Fisherman (pseudonym of RH)
~ (Roger Godberd of) Swanington (in Leicester, served under Simon de Montfort of Leicester).

Loxley
~ ... and/or Kenilworth 1266/c1322 (Loxley manor granted to Kenilworth priory 1253)?

RH's grave
~ grave at Kirklees? ....

Earl of Maxfield (Will Scarlet/Gam(e)well)
~ Montfort earl of Leicester? William de Maysam?

3/4: Robin Hood, Little John, Will Scarlet &/or Much
~ Roger Godberd, John Deyville / John de Haversam / John son of John, William de Grey & Geoffrey Godberd (one different name/person)? Roger Godberd, John Deyville & Walter (one different name/person)?

And now i have to quit this as i have other things that i seriously need and want to do.

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  Quote Arthur-Robin Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30-Dec-2016 at 00:17
It turns out i made a stupid mistake with St Richard. I confused St Richard of Chichester and "Richard of Cirencester".
St Richard in the Gest is suggested to be St Richard of Chichester whose date happens to well fit with Godberd. I confused with "Richard of Cirencester" which i connected with Richard de Gaham parson of Schirlond [Friar Tuck] suggesting hence why St Richard in the Gest (abit mysterious/strange "why St Richard of Cirencester" according to fresnostate.edu Gest notes). St = parson = chaplain/friar. Cirencester = Schirlond?
This is wrong. There is perhaps another possibility:
Tuck was of Fountains Dale/Abbey, and St Richard of the Gest has also/alternatively been suggested to be Richard of Fountains Abbey.

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