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    Posted: 09-Feb-2014 at 13:38
*Creation of Israel on ancient Judea is just romantic nationalistic act same as taking Ottoman lands in Balkans for Turks or hoping a Greek Istanbul for Greeks. However there is a difference, they achieved.

*The pain of Palestinians reguees is similar with Holocoust and it is still hot.

Most of today's Israelians doesn't belongs those land, they were coming from abroad. Jews population of those land was less then 10%

so I am looking Swizerland election about immigration and their effort to stop it or Canada, they have just changed their laws to make difficult the being citizen.

but Palestians didn't have a choice or nobody asked them. 



 




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  Quote red clay Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09-Feb-2014 at 11:10
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I wonder what ever happened to my great opponent "The Great Simba!" who certainly had a very high opinion of his/her self! Does anyone know?

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  Quote toyomotor Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 08-Feb-2014 at 20:37
Originally posted by ChickenShoes

isn't israel where Judea used to be? if so, that is the right place is it not?

I agree, but wouldn't it be great if Israel and Palestine could agree to live side by side in harmony.
 
I can see both sides of the argument and I agree with both sides on many points, but in the long term, Hamas must stop firing rockets into Israel and committing other provocative acts and Israel must take a much more liberal attitude towards Palestine.
 
I live in hope.
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  Quote opuslola Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11-Dec-2013 at 20:50
I wonder what ever happened to my great opponent "The Great Simba!" who certainly had a very high opinion of his/her self! Does anyone know?

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  Quote opuslola Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21-Aug-2010 at 18:55
Thanks, little kitty! (Note there is a lot of irony here! )

But, I still love you guy!

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  Quote TheGreatSimba Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21-Aug-2010 at 18:51
Simply put, you're wrong and ignorant regarding the subject.


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  Quote opuslola Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21-Aug-2010 at 18:04
Then, I would respectfully suggest Mere Simba, that you review any good history of the creation of Israel, and the "creation" of the so called "palestinians?"

It is you who have some problem understanding the old political climate that existed after WWII!

I hope one of our other "experts" will agree that my view is not a politically correct one, but the "correct" one!

Is anyone else up to the task?

I "Mere(ly)" responded!
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  Quote TheGreatSimba Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21-Aug-2010 at 11:36
Why would the Jordanians want so many refugee's in there country? If the Mexicans were kicked out of Mexico, would the US take them in?

Palestinians as a seperate group existed before the creation of the country of Jordan, I find it amusing how you can deny their existence and simply call them Syrians and Jordanians.


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  Quote opuslola Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19-Aug-2010 at 15:12
Actually Arabs/ Jordanians?/ Syrians still make up a considerable portion of Israels population! And they are voting members!

Again, it was Jordan who rejected / expelled, the so called Palestinians!
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  Quote Miller Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 31-Aug-2009 at 00:49
Originally posted by Renegade

 there's already people living there.
 
 
OK, then what about the  Jews "already living"  in Isreal


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  Quote Renegade Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30-Aug-2009 at 19:11
After centuries of suffering oppression in their home countries, I can understand the desire for a Jewish-majority state. However, in creating the state of Israel after the horrors of WW2 there was a big problem: there's already people living there. The Arabs got screwed over and got their land taken away from them. Two wrongs don't make a right.
 
Instead of creating Israel, the governments of Europe should've offered compensation in other forms. If there's any place to create a Jewish state, I believe that somewhere between Germany and Poland would be best because first of all alot of Jews lived there and secondly because it was the Germans' who began the Holocaust and through many decades they have accepted their guilt.
 
Originally posted by edgewaters


Actually there were proposals that were entirely amenable to the Jews in the post-war period that suggested Western Canada as a potential location. It was sparsely populated, had great resources, and it was a good spot to do trade from.

But Canada objected vociferously. Which was entirely unfortunate in hindsight - it would have been so simple, so easy.
 
Very interesting, I never knew that.
 
I for one wouldn't mind having a Jewish state in Western Canada, after all our country is dangerously underpopulated for such a huge piece of land Wink. But then again our PM at the time, William Lyon Mackenzie King, was an anti-Semite along with many Canadians at that time.
 
 
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  Quote Hebrewtext Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06-Apr-2009 at 11:54
more than 60 % of Jews in Israel has European -American ancestries,
from the Israel  bureau of statistics:
 
watch that most of the born abroad ,also came from Europe.
 
 
 
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  Quote nuvolari Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30-Mar-2009 at 15:37
I cannot say that I am surprised at the percentage of various ancestries from which the Jews in Israel spring, and the comment re their ability to assimilate easily with one another is entirely predictable given that they are and always will be more Jewish than Israeli, irrespective of their origins. This, I think, is the crux of the matter and the point that is central to my original thread i.e.that despite wherever they reside they are Jewish first and British/French/Canadian etc.etc.etc. second.  This, and their other shortcomings i.e. their seeming inability to forgive and forget (as per my original thread) makes them essentially what they are....whatever that is ?
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  Quote calvo Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30-Mar-2009 at 13:05
Originally posted by Al Jassas

One note, Only 10% of jews in Israel are from Arab and Islamic countries. The rest are migrants from europe and elswhere.
 
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According to statics, 38% of Israeli Jews are of European ancestry, 38% are of Middle-Eastern and North African ancestry. The rest are of mixed, Ethiopian, Indian, Central Asian, Caucasian Oriental origins.
From what it looks like, most distinct Jewish groups have integrated very thoroughly after the first generation.
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  Quote nuvolari Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30-Mar-2009 at 12:54
Originally posted by pekau

I was just wondering... the establishment of Israel in Middle East clearly did not work out. What if you, as the representive of the victorious Allies, had the power to decide where Israel will be established? Where would you create and and why?
 
And according to your decision, how would it change the world we live in today? Towards better? Towards worse?
 
Just a note: This has nothing to do with antisemtism or any other negative attitude towards current Israel. It's just another typical "What if" question.
 
 
 
A question to ponder is WHY were the Jews thought to be deserving of "Their Own Land" ?
We all know that they have been horribly oppressed since time immemorial (this fact, too, begs numerous questions ! ), and never more so than by the Nazis, but then so have other albeit smaller minority groups, and they were never deemed suitable to have a land of their own. Since the Jews have hardly ever been settled successfully (other than in the USA who accepted everyone at one time.......more fool them ! )wherever they were put, it does prompt the question as to why ANYWHERE was ever thought to be suitable, let alone when they were put into Arab territory amongst people not known for their tolerance or compassion !
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  Quote nuvolari Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30-Mar-2009 at 12:45
Originally posted by Frederick Roger

After WWII there was a semi-secret talk between the Portuguese and British governments envisaging the creation of a new state of Israel in Angola. Tongue

 
Madagascar was also considered.
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  Quote Cryptic Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13-Mar-2009 at 14:28

Originally posted by Al Jassas

Please read my post carefully.
With pleasure. Smile I agree, no more distortions.

Originally posted by Leonidas

and Yemen, Syria and Iraq from the top of mind
In the very early days, Isreal was disappointed at the number of Iraqi Jews making a voluntary "home coming". The fledgling Mossad was then employed to "encourage" the Iraqi Jews to immigrate to Isreal.  Rumors were spread of impending massacares, anonymous death threats made to prominent Jews and perhaps a few Jewish stores stores destroyed by mysterious arsons. Even after this, the vast magority of Iraqi Jews stayed in Iraq until the forced expulsions (as Al Jassas mentions).  
Originally posted by Al Jassas

Many chose this but many didn't and letting Syrian jews (about 20k) leave was one of the conditions of peace negotiations back in the 90s and they were let go. 
And even after this, there are still about 3,000 Jews voluntarily living in Syria. 
 
 
As a side note, even the Taliban crazies left the Synagouge in Kabul intact and local Jews were not killed (granted that there were only two elderly Jewish men in Kabul). Even still,  they were allowed to live unmolested on the Synagouge property during the Taliban occupation. Iran still has a Jewish population. Yes, they have been harassed, but there has never been an effort to expel them in mass or to imprison them in mass.  


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  Quote Al Jassas Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13-Mar-2009 at 13:16
Please read my post carefully.
 
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and Yemen, Syria and Iraq from the top of mind
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  Quote Al Jassas Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 12-Mar-2009 at 13:36
Hello to you all
 
What a lie!
 
1 million Arab jews forced out of the Arab world?
 
The total number of jews in the Arab lands was 600K of them 400k lived in three countries, Algeria (then a French colony), Tunisia (then a French protectorate) and finally Morocco (then a French protectorate also). French occupation of these countries ended between 9 and 15 (From 56 till 62) years after Israel was created and during those years nearly all of the jews left these countries peacefully and willingly and it is well documented.
 
As for Jews in the rest of the Arab world the Arab countries actually forbade them from immigrating. Egypt and Syria forbade their 60k native jews (those with foreign passports who made the majority of the 80k Egyptian jews left before Israel was created most to Israel but some Europe while Egypt was under British military rule). The rest fled because of the infamous Lavon affaire (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lavon_Affair) where (surprise surprise) the Mossad attacked jews and American interests and blamed it on the Egyptians causing a stir. Anyway Israel if I am not mistaken have already accepted the fact that jews were not forced from Egypt and that they left freely. Egypt has already made a massive dossiers of some 100 thousand different documents containing wills, real estate deeds, news paper adds and what not (read some myself) that prove jews sold their property at or above market prices and declared in those adds their intention to leave the country and some had the audacity to declare their intention to leave for Israel. In syria jews were forbidden from immigrating unless they voluntarily give up their lands for free. Many chose this but many didn't and letting Syrian jews (about 20k) leave was one of the conditions of peace negotiations back in the 90s and they were let go.
 
In Yemen the 50k jews left by their own free will too in a famous operation (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Magic_Carpet_(Yemen)) and it is their pictures in tents that are the ones you see when ever one is talking about  this alledged expulsion. The US and the UK financed this operation and convinced the Imam to let them leave and the prise was a united Yemen. There were no pogroms nor attacks on jews or a mass government conspiracy. Documents from the British have exhonorated the Yemenis of any forced expulsion allegation. (by the way Yemen was also a British protectorate).
 
Only in Iraq did any real intentional government sanctioned expulsion happened and only there (a mere 150K compared with the 1.2 original Palestinian refugees and their 5 million descendents). Enough lies please.
 
P.S.
 
One note, Only 10% of jews in Israel are from Arab and Islamic countries. The rest are migrants from europe and elswhere.
 
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Edited by Al Jassas - 12-Mar-2009 at 13:43
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