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    Posted: 10-Jun-2007 at 09:31
What do you think?
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Merely a sumbolic story told by plato to make the Athenians  understand the hybris  that extremes bring is inescapable.It fits with  devastation some cultures in the middle of oceans  or seas suffered in antiquity but nothing solid has been discovered yet.

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There is enough evidence to suggest there were/was civilizations or civilization , before ours.  More advanced? speculation and no evidence.  Atlantis? the word makes my skin crawl.  Whenever there is anything of substance discovered or needs investigating, some idiot brings Atlantis into it and all interest, except for the tinfoil hat crowd, goes down the crapper.  Forget Plato, and all the rest of BS especially anything to do with Ed Cacie.  There are ruins both submerged and on solid land that have yet to be investigated and or fully explained.  Just proclaiming everything you don't agree with to be a hoax or a conspiracy fueled by one special interest group or another doesn't cut it.

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I would go with the symbolic story but i would like it to have been real since it makes things more interesting!Big%20smile
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It's not like Plato was renowned or anything for making up stories of fanciful utopias.
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I never believed that Plato's Atlantis had any factual basis until I read the work of the Swedish 17th century historian (among many other things) Olof Rudbeck, in which he convincingly explains how ancient Atlantis was in fact situated in Sweden, in Uppsala more precisely, where it just so happens Rudbeck himself lived and worked.

He also explained how Eden was located in Sweden too, but that's another story.
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Sweden isnt an island in the middle of an ocean  how did he explain that?
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Nah, theres not enough clear evidence to show that Atlantis really did exist.
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  Quote Guests Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11-Jun-2007 at 23:14
Originally posted by Paul

It's not like Plato was renowned or anything for making up stories of fanciful utopias.

I wonder when the first archaeologist will claim he has found Plato's cave.
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I think it is not completey unlikely that there is a kernel if historic thruth in the myth, as myths often have some small history at their base. But I think most of it is just fancy story.
 
And it does not have to be an advanced society by our standards. Advanced is rather relative. There might have been an society that was advanced in the eyes of the cavemen around it, which by Plato's time might have been considered backwards if they had seen it with their own eyes... Wink

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There is often a truth wrapped up in ancient stories both written and oral. Never forget Troy was held to be a myth until relatively recent times
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There is often a truth wrapped up in ancient stories both written and oral. Never forget Troy was held to be a myth until relatively recent times

 

The problem with that ideal is that youre comparing apples to oranges.  Troy figured in a rich body of ancient Greek myths, and while some scholars scoffed at Schliemann dont forget the classical would not have, they very much believed that that Troys remains were buried at Hisarlık.

Platos Atlantis is in contrast no myth, but an allegory that exists nowhere else but in Platos works.

It should also be recalled that there is something of a myth in the ideal that Troy was considered a myth.  Cavert was only the most recent (cira 1865) person to try to start digging ant Hisalik in the 19th and 18th centuries. What Schliemann really brought to the table was money and a willingness to dig at Hisalik instead of one of the alternative sites in the Troad favored by other scholars (and of course a complete indifference to any later archeological remains that got in his way).
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Originally posted by olvios

Sweden isnt an island in the middle of an ocean how did he explain that?


All things are possible with wishful thinking, just take a look at what some people write on this forum.
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Winkyeah you are so right
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Posts: 1564 		  Quote DukeC Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15-Jun-2007 at 04:26

I think it's a story based on the tsunamis which would have hit northern Crete after the eruption of Santorino about 2000 B.C.. This would have had severe effects on the Minoan culture at the time.



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Originally posted by conon394

There is often a truth wrapped up in ancient stories both written and oral. Never forget Troy was held to be a myth until relatively recent times

 

The problem with that ideal is that youre comparing apples to oranges.  Troy figured in a rich body of ancient Greek myths, and while some scholars scoffed at Schliemann dont forget the classical would not have, they very much believed that that Troys remains were buried at Hisarlık.

Platos Atlantis is in contrast no myth, but an allegory that exists nowhere else but in Platos works.

It should also be recalled that there is something of a myth in the ideal that Troy was considered a myth.  Cavert was only the most recent (cira 1865) person to try to start digging ant Hisalik in the 19th and 18th centuries. What Schliemann really brought to the table was money and a willingness to dig at Hisalik instead of one of the alternative sites in the Troad favored by other scholars (and of course a complete indifference to any later archeological remains that got in his way).

 
The ancient Greek Myths were actually the Iliad and Odyssey i.e. 2
 
There are references to a city or area elsewhere which may or may not be Troy
 
Plato's Atlantis may be an allegory but that is only an interpretation which of course may be wrong.
 
As I said these stories and tales very often contain a kernel of truth which is often very difficult to discover. Doesn't mean it should be rejected out of hand
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    A great part of the  modern interest in  atlantis is  the  super pre-cataclysmic culture   technologically  advanced theme.If we found it out and  it  had  no "hightech"  elements would  we be incredibly dissapointed?Or  would we dismiss the finds as something else since they wont fit  with the above.

Better to seek a myth forever than to find it and have it demythologised?
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a myth or at least a exageration made by Plato.
 
 
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I agree with Red Clay, that there is evidence of civilizations existing before recorded history. Whether or not that was Atlantis will be determined at a later date.
I think that there is still a great deal we do not know and as technology advances and allows for greater exploration under the oceans of the world, we may very well discover many things existed before our civilization developed.
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