Mongol invasion to Indonesia

Well, one for sure, that it is not Vijaya, but Wijaya. The pronouce almost the same as Win without n.

Originally posted by Omar al Hashim Ermh  The mongol army landed in Java and defeated the Javanese army. The mongols had the king replaced with one who was expected to me far more servile to the mongols. The Javanese nobility subsequently invited all the mongol leaders to a banquet, it was trickery and the mongol leaders were masacared*. *I wonder if this gave inspiration to "the night of long knifes"?

Edited by Sander - 11-Jun-2007 at 12:48

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Sarmat12,

Quite off topic but...  Did you know you and I joined AE on the same day? 

However, you've got more posts than I. 

Originally posted by Sarmat12 I think you indeed confused Hong-Kong with Guangzhou:

I think you're right!

However, everything else still holds if you replace "Hong Kong" with "Canton". 

Originally posted by TranHungDao Originally posted by Sarmat12 I doubt if Hong Kong was so important at that time. Perhaps, it just was a small fisherman village before British took it in XIX century. *tsk, tsk* Keith Taylor claims in the Birth of Vietnam that because Hong Kong was such a bustling place of commerce in the 10th century, or 300 years before the Mongols' worldwide rampage, that China no longer wanted to keep a constantly and fiercely rebellious Vietnam as a province.  When Vietnam was first conquered by the Chinese over 1000 years earlier, Canton though much bigger geographically was far less populated than Vietnam, or rather the Red River Delta of northern Vietnam, and hence the tax base their was much less valuable than that coming from the Vietnamese.  Not so, by the 10th century CE! I can't recall when exactly, but Hong Kong was sacked by Arab traders, perhaps around the 1200's or 1300's.  They did so because they were pissed at the Chinese merchants for being greedy and conniving. The Javanese invaded Champa around this time period too because the Chams kept plundering their trade vessels.  The Javanese were not the Cham's only victims.  The point, I'm trying to make is there was vigorous trade in SE Asia well before the Mongols arrival into the area. "small fishingman village"?  HA!

Edited by Sarmat12 - 07-Jun-2007 at 17:09

Originally posted by Sarmat12 I doubt if Hong Kong was so important at that time. Perhaps, it just was a small fisherman village before British took it in XIX century.

*tsk, tsk*

Keith Taylor claims in the Birth of Vietnam that because Hong Kong was such a bustling place of commerce in the 10th century, or 300 years before the Mongols' worldwide rampage, that China no longer wanted to keep a constantly and fiercely rebellious Vietnam as a province.  When Vietnam was first conquered by the Chinese over 1000 years earlier, Canton though much bigger geographically was far less populated than Vietnam, or rather the Red River Delta of northern Vietnam, and hence the tax base their was much less valuable than that coming from the Vietnamese.  Not so, by the 10th century CE!

I can't recall when exactly, but Hong Kong was sacked by Arab traders, perhaps around the 1200's or 1300's.  They did so because they were pissed at the Chinese merchants for being greedy and conniving.

The Javanese invaded Champa around this time period too because the Chams kept plundering their trade vessels.  The Javanese were not the Cham's only victims. 

The point, I'm trying to make is there was vigorous trade in SE Asia well before the Mongols arrival into the area.

"small fishingman village"?  HA! 


Edited by TranHungDao - 07-Jun-2007 at 11:28