The Albanian Dilema

This topic has entirely lost track. if there was some relevance in the beginning, now it's long gone.

Originally posted by Anton Yet two new factors emerged because of the Slavonic invasion and the Ottoman conquest. The introduction of Slavjanisms into Albanian should have started after the cessation of rhotacism in the Southern Albanian dialect. The Slavonic loanwords are of various chronological and geographical stratification. Slavonic borrowings of the Southern and Middle Albanian dialects are of Bulgarian origin, whereas those of the Northern Albanian dialect are of Serbian provenance. The influence of Russian was felt upon the written language after the World War II, particularly through loan-translations. The first Turkish loanwords date since the end of the 14th century, but the greatest part of them penetrated into Albanian after the 17th century. Orientalisms were adopted with the Oriental way of life, and their substitution was the main target of purist tendencies connected with the Renaissance movement (second half of the 19th century). The status of Orientalisms in Modern Albanian is very complex and rich with stylistic possibilities.During the last two centuries the Albanian vocabulary has been intensively enriched through countless neologisms and borrowings. Two opposed trends have been marked out. The first has been the purification of many Turkish, Greek, Slavonic, and Romance loanwords. In contrast, Romance loan-words (modern Italian and French), and in recent times English ones too, have inundated the written language, necessitated by the demands of technology, science, culture, art, political and social life, and strongly favoured by television and media. International words are present in Albanian in the same measure as in other European languages. The most comprehensive Albanian dictionary is Fjalor i gjuh�s s� sotme shqipe, published by the Academy of Sciences in 1980. Xhevat LLOSHI, Prof. Doctor of Linguistics

Originally posted by olvios This the 1000th albanian nationalist sci-fi fantasy thread.Its  not getting old.It  is old.

This the 1000th albanian nationalist sci-fi fantasy thread.Its  not getting old.It  is old.

Originally posted by ZEUS10   There is no albanian word "poreia" Dont lie again

You completely fail to communicate. Did I ever say poreia is Albanian? I'm talking about Greek.

Οδός = road
Πορεία = course

Try babelfish and see if i'm lying or not...

Originally posted by ZEUS10 Flipper you dont know nothing about my language so arguing with me is just obstinacy,  stubbornness,tenacity from you. See the following.

And you don't know nothing about Ancient Greek...That is why i don't take your post as serious. You're right about έχθρα meaning hostile but if you had an ancient Greek lexicon you would see that the word i mentioned is there.

Seriously, you're the 1000000000000 person who writes once more again the same things in this forum. Furthermore you have this tone not very much appreciated by this peacefull for the most community.

Some people here Zeus10 are archeologists, historians and linguists by proffession. You're none of that obviously. Neither am I. But at least I know ancient greek. I can't even spend time answering to you things that have direct translations.

Originally posted by ZEUS10   oh really ?Wau, what a smart boy

you want to continue with that tone?

you find being educated by someone  much better informed  as something to laugh at, might explain the very silly connections you and others have tried, in vain, to do.

Spare us these long and tiresome posts. I hope you can bring some academic substance to these posts and no more of this misplaced arrogance. Pick some of your strongest words and lets test your theory, and lets see some real academic backed proof, none of this di = acorn, so di is Albanian, rubbish.  Its makes for a thread that everyone else would want to read and actually learn something. Deal?

Take this for a believable, backed up position poeple could trust as at least informed and maybe even correct. Since it amused you so much lets see if Flipper was wrong in saying what he did, so lets take 'Hera'.

"linear B tablets from Pylos and Thebes mention a goddess named Diwija, which is the feminine form for Zeus and should identify her as Zeus's original wife. Similarly, on etymological grounds , Hera's original husband should not be Zeus, but Hero. The supposition that Zeus' and Hera's union is a post-Mycenaean act of mythical integration would certainly go some way in explaining why the two were never to sit very comfortable together."
pg 105, "Ethnic identity in Greek antiquity" Jonathan Hall, Cambridge University Press 1998.


"Even without the evidence of Mycenaean Greek, one can establish Hera's Argolic link to seasonality from Homeric Greek. There, one can see a link between Hera, hero, Heracles and hora(season)."
 pg 116, "The Transformation of Hera: A Study of Ritual, Hero, and the Goddess in the Iliad" By Joan V. O'Brien, Published 1993
Rowman & Littlefield

Hera-----the stormy(angry) jealous wife of Zeus(gruaja e xhindosur e Zeusit-alb). She was identified as the upper air (a�r). Hera-----era(alb)------the wind

wrong. she wasn't what you described originally, nor would 'air' make any sense to the role she played. She was connected with the seasons, nature, animals, birth and sometimes death. Being both trans-spatial and trans-functional. The angry bitch type came later. Her cult was centered in Argos and also another old cult in Samos.

Some how the 'seasons' interpretation makes more sense. BTW the 'seasons' origin theory is based on a the IE language, hence not pelasgian.






Edited by Leonidas - 22-Jul-2007 at 10:13

Flipper you dont know nothing about my language so arguing with me is just obstinacy,  stubbornness,tenacity from you.

Edited by ZEUS10 - 22-Jul-2007 at 08:55