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    Posted: 28-Sep-2009 at 03:51
Hi Ikki,
 
You wrote, that on Gran Canaria where you are living there are also "pyramids", majanos as you call them, some of them were built by your ancestors. Do they look like the pyramid-like structures on Tenerife or La Palma? Could you please tell me the location of these piled stone structures on Gran Canaria? My email-address is snofru13@yahoo.de 
 
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  Quote opuslola Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30-Sep-2009 at 12:24
The existance of pyramid like structures seems a lot more prevalent than most people believe. For instance, those great pyramids found China, at least one in France, all of those found thruout America, one in Rumania (I think) or Bulgaria, etc., those in Meroe, etc. Pyramids are still being discovered! It might take you some research time on your computer but you should be able to discover most of them!

Oh, what the heck, here is one site that mentions most of them;

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pyramid

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  Quote Cyrus Shahmiri Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06-Oct-2009 at 06:59
Good info about Pyramids but the tallest and largest Pyramid in the world is 205 m-high Atashgah in Isfahan, it seems to be a sole natural mountain but that is a man-made building.
 
 
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  Quote Jams Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06-Oct-2009 at 12:39
Originally posted by Ikki

Oh my gullible fellows LOL, the Pyramids of G��mar is another fraud don't doubt it, the serious academical research has concluded that the "pyramids" was made between 1854 and 1880 is not sure, when the expansion of the nopal in the islands; the canarians built these mountains of rocks when they took the stones of the non cultivated fields and grouped it on mountains in places not specially fertiles, these mountains ara called Majanos and spread along all the islands, here in Gran Canaria where i live there are many of they someone built by my family. In Tenerife the documents of the time don't register the Pyramid before that date, appear first when the terrain was divided by the owners in 1881. About the astronomical orientation, some say that the owner was a mason, other directly say that havn't astronomical orientation.
Well, it's only a way to take money of the tourist.
 
 
The world of the ancient natives is rich and fascinating i recommend to search about they.
 
 
Pd. And yes the romans was here, there is no clear evidence of they in land, but more than 30 vessels near the coast in Lanzarote, Gran Canaria and Tenerife, that spread from 150 BC to around 350 AC.
I know he wrote it long ago, but I can't help to think that Thor Heyerdahl must have been the laughing stock on the islands when he made his initial theories.
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  Quote cavalry4ever Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06-Oct-2009 at 13:58
Cyrus - that mountain/pyramid, was it ever studied by archeologists?
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  Quote opuslola Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06-Oct-2009 at 16:20
If you want to know more about the site posted by Cyrus, please see these sites;

http://www.twip.org/diaporama-en-14810-4-atashgah-of-isfahan.html

http://fz-az.fotopages.com/?entry=939500

http://wikitravel.org/en/Isfahan

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/archive/index.php/t-228090.html

http://www.statemaster.com/encyclopedia/Esfahan

http://www.salamiran.org/content/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=131&Itemid=213

http://www.globusz.com/ebooks/YearToRemember/00000019.htm

http://www.360cities.net/image/iran-isfahan-atashgah-fire-temple-zoroastrian-persia-esfahan-sepahan-inside

Of course, all of the above are sites you could easily do yourself if you tried! Not fussing, but sometimes you should not have to wait for someone else to do your finger work?
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  Quote cavalry4ever Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06-Oct-2009 at 17:57
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  Quote opuslola Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06-Oct-2009 at 19:12
I know, being a "Bell Boy" is very taxing and time consuming for me! Chuckle! But, that is really what I do for work! no laugh!
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  Quote Jams Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07-Oct-2009 at 06:17
Atashgah in Isfahan? Is it really man made? All descriptions I've read say that it is a modified hill (or something like that). It's irregularly shaped, not really pyramidical.

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  Quote opuslola Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07-Oct-2009 at 07:24
Jams! I loved the movie "Dr. Strangelove!" And, yes it seems to be a natural rock formation, but with a lot of manmade structures on the top! I think that was all Cyrus was stating! In a way it reminds me of one of the most unusual places in Europe,that is the twin monoliths that stand in the community of Sion! It is possible that one might well spell it also Zion?, in Switzerland.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/bd/Stumpf_Froschauer_Landtaflen_Wallis.jpg

On the above map, it will be called "Sitten", which merely describes it as the "seat" / "chair" of a bishop!

http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/546392/Sion

http://www.damtp.cam.ac.uk/user/jnm11/publications/mcelwaine2007:plume.pdf The Valley of the Sion!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sion,_Switzerland   Click on photos for a good shot!

Here is a great photo!

http://www.welt-atlas.de/worldatlas/database/photos.php?kartenid=1-179&fotoid=1-179-5

And, last but not least, a representation of Sitten / Sion, etc., circa 1550-1570 CE.

http://historic-cities.huji.ac.il/switzerland/sion/maps/braun_hogenberg_I_37.html

PS, the representations found at the above site are all worth a look if you are interested in the Middle Ages!

Oh! Here is another good one!

http://entertainment.timesonline.co.uk/tol/arts_and_entertainment/books/non-fiction/article5351991.ece

And a 19th century post card;

http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:07840v.jpeg

The next site, translated from German, is possibly the best one:

http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=fr&u=http://www.swisscastles.ch/Valais/tourbillon/default.htm&ei=NKjMSpybAYaUtgeJy-DxAQ&sa=X&oi=translate&resnum=7&ct=result&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dde%2BTourbillon%26hl%3Den%26rlz%3D1T4ADBR_enUS315US315%26sa%3DN%26start%3D20

And another great representation of Sion, by Munster;

http://historic-cities.huji.ac.il/switzerland/sion/maps/munster_lat_1550_338.html


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  Quote Jams Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07-Oct-2009 at 12:09
Thanks. The Middle Ages in Europe is a pretty underrated period. Actually, all those time periods are after the fact ideas, and they're all pretty recent. Even their names show a bit of an agenda. The Middle ages were not a standstill, a lot happened.

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  Quote wolfgang62 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15-Mar-2010 at 23:45
Hi, where on Gran Canaria are these majanos built by your familie?
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With interests and pleasure I read about the Guanchos. The ancient Guanchos had the same skull form as the Cro-Magnons and Aurignacs did. The Cro-Magnonid Guanchos had blue eyes and fair hair. Is this not the prove that the ancient French Cro-Magnons and Aurignacs had fair hair and blue eyes? So more than 30.000 years faired haired people lived in West- Europe.

What is the relations between Berbers-Guanchos and Scandinavians and ancient Germanic tribes? Are they cousins? Do the Guanchos have a lot of haplogroup R1b?
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  Quote Nick1986 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05-Sep-2011 at 20:39
It's more likely these pyramids were the foundations of a Roman building like a lighthouse or dry-dock. The collapsed rubble may have outwardly resembled a pyramid, prompting its "reconstruction" by those with a nationalist agenda
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  Quote red clay Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06-Sep-2011 at 09:14
They predate the Romans by several thousand years.  
 
Nick, you should do some more research before you decide what these are.  They are well constructed structures.  Not, as some say, farmers plow piles.  We are discussing the Canaries, right.
 
 
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  Quote Centrix Vigilis Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06-Sep-2011 at 10:04
As much as I am in favor of pre-Columbian exploration and navigation both ways....vis the southern Medd Egypt et.al to Meso-Central America etc....the data I have just quickly perused supports neither of the above. Assuming I understood it correctly and we are in reference to the same structures.
 
Now if one speaks of the cave found beneath one of them that's a different kettle of fish.
 
Archaeological analysis supports the presence of the Gaunches in the cave but provides no nexus necessarily to the structures resting above. Best data gives them a date vic 19th ce. Constructed allegedly by farmers clearing the lands for cultivation.
 
The rest is a mess involving Thor Heyerdahl and his theories (which I do not reject out of hand)...speculation on the Nordic potential relationship with Gaunches...connections by astrophysicists and the potential that the structures have an astronomical calendar relationship and the ever mysterious (not really) possibilities of Freemasonry. 
 
Basically I have just recaped the wiki entry. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pyramids_of_G%C3%BC%C3%ADmar
 
Probably the best bet would be to get the English versions of some of  the references cited by the Scientific research effort.
 
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  Quote red clay Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06-Sep-2011 at 13:40
The wiki article was written by someone who lives on the Island.  This is an example of political and social bullshit that completely obscures the reality of the sites.  Not that I'm a big fan of Heyerdahl, but his group did some real archaeology, The only real work that's been done.  One of the things they found was that 80% of the stone was quarried from the inland hills and transported to the site.  That eliminates the idea that all of the stone was removed from the fields and "piled".  It only takes a little close observation of the stonework to tell you that these aren't plow piles.  It would have taken more time and manpower than they had for farming.  I have plowed enough acreage and toted enough rocks to qualify as an "expert" on plow piles.Big smile
Secondly, none of the terraces were built for planting.  If you were going to put that much effort into something like this, strictly for farming, wouldn't you think they would have back filled and cultivated these huge areas?
 
As to the dating in the 19th cent., The Egyptians called them the "Fortunate Islands".  Refs. to large monumental structures appear in several texts from the early dynastic era.  Later, Hanno the Explorer mentions the Islands  in the notes from his Voyages ca. 600BCE and again makes refs. to large abandoned structures.  He also lists the islands as being uninhabited at that time.
 
 
  
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  Quote Centrix Vigilis Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06-Sep-2011 at 18:26
Ok I bite on some of that but what about the dating sequences in contention....ya saying the survey archaeo crew misapplied the data? Fabricated it? why? I can virtually make the same pile of rocks up on the Mesa and leave it alone for a fews years and it will have the appearance of weathered  antiquity.
 
Don't mean an dang thing other then it looks old....rocks perse will date their age as will soil to a lesser degree but the problem is that any rock, aready 50million years old, can be used to created a site that might be actually be only 300 years old in terms of the actual time of human construction.
 
Unless we talking aliens here.
 
Then a course it's back to the Mesa and you had better bring a sleeping bag.Wink
 
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  Quote Nick1986 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07-Sep-2011 at 08:10
I thought the Canaries were near Spain? If the structures weren't Roman, perhaps they were the remains of a Carthaginian or Phoenician building? Did Hanno describe the abandoned structures?
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  Quote Centrix Vigilis Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07-Sep-2011 at 09:16
They are.  However they are far closer to North Africa then Spain perse (60 some odd miles off the coast of Morocco). Tho they remain, iirc, a Spanish possession. But my limited understanding of these constructs would agree they are neither Roman nor necessarily can they be identified as even early Egyptian 'step' altho they do bear a resemblance.
 
They are at this point what the data suggests based on the research either 19th ce structures or possibly
later works influenced by the Gaunches. Who ever the hell they really were.
 
As to a Northern African..ie. Carthaginian or Phoenician work.. not my forte...so I leave that for others. I suppose it's possible. But there actual physical appearance bears a stronger resemblence, at least for me, of Meso-American and or as noted 'step'.


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