The most heroic place of your country

& dont get me wrong, i respect all who fall defending someone�s life (theirown, family & similar...)

but it takes only a second of good will & clear thinking to realise that no war has ever solved a problem, only created new...

Why they had to shoot eachother? To help eachother? [/QUOTE]

No, you got me wrong. I said during the battle, when the guns were being shut and bombardment was continueing, the enemy soldiers were trying to help each other, and they had peaceful relations, because they werent real enemies, but just forced to fight against each other. Anzacs were only colonial soldiers who were used to be sacrificed for the queen of Britain.

I didnt mean the bird singings with the dirt, but the bird excrements.

And no, you dont have any single places like Gallipoli in that region. Because our history is full of battles like Gallipoli, Manzikert etc., but yours is not. Because we cant accept living under others' rule, but you can. And this is why we are called Turks. If those values mean nothing to you, just dont try to empose your them to us, because our values are totally different than yours.

Unfortunately, I see that you dont respect some national values . If you judge sacrificing yourself for greater purposes as a crime, we should just sit in our house with your family, and drink our milk, while the men are dying for our sons to have their freedom in the future.

The right to protect yourself and your family/nation/believs/freedom gives you the total right of killing your enemy.

The thing heroic with killing other people in a war is to sacrifice your life bravely for a greater purpose than your single life. The lives of the whole future generations, your families, their freedom, and of course, your country and believs.

You call us brainwashed but in fact, brainwashing is the losing procedure of national identities and values. So here, I am not the one who is assimilated.

If those Turkish soldiers refused to fight with their enemies, they would live happily with their raped wives, with their new adopted language, with their sons/daughters who would never learn their past and their national identities/values, in their burned houses as happy converted Christians. They would become people like you, and they would be assimilated in the world's history as colonial slaves.

But if those things doesnt bother you, I am not here to discuss our values with cowardish ideas.

Is this your kind of ideal and happy lifestyle? If so, I dont want to live in the same way as some cowards live.

The right to protect yourself and your family/nation/believs/freedom gives you the total right of killing your enemy.

Of course, I visited the museums and monumental cemeteries, and those heart breaking letters to families in Gallipoli. And then, I realized how could they easily leave their families. Because they sacrificed themselves for them. It isnt only for Gallipoli, but history witnessed lots of examples of such sacrifices. Maybe they prefered their families and their grandsons to live freely instead of their own lives.

Sometimes, war is the only solution for peace. I think you should understand it better than me, since you are a survivor of a bloody battle.

Please, if you dont know somethinbg, just dont write about it. You can die for God in Islam, as a "shehit". This is why all those Turkish soldiers in history could easily sacrifice their lives in wars. In the beginning, they believed they were dying for "Tenri", and they still believe it, as an ancient Turkic cultural element of being "yighit"s of "alp"s.

I totally agree with you that a mother is much more heroic than a soldier. This is why the soldiers could easily sacrifice their lives for their much more worthy mothers. Because those mothers were always ready to sacrifice themselves for their sons, and they alwasy sacrifice their whole lives for their sons/daughters. This is why mothers are that holy.

I wish one day, as a survivor of a war, you would realize that martyrs dont die for nonsense. Let them rest in peace...

lol, you talkin to wrong guy, i come from Makedonija, we always fought those who tried to ocupy us we won most of the wars, but aways lost our teritory on piece conferences

here only few

in the last few centuries: Marica - Othomans, Kosovo (alongside the serbs) - Othomans again, continium of uprisings & rebbelions during the Othoman ocupation of our land (my ancestors inclusive )

The Both Balkan Wars - warplace = Makedonija, Macedonians were forced to fight to the Bulgarian or Serbian army, Many also self-organized (my ancestors inclusive)

First World War - Solun Front - splitting my fathers villige (& the whole region of Mariovo - Makedonija) on 2, Macedonians were forced to fight to the Bulgarian or Serbian & other armies, Many also self-organized (uh, echo?)(my ancestors inclusive)

second World War - Macedonians rase up against the Fascist Bulgarian Regime first attacking the Bulgarian Police Stations in Prilep & Kumanovo, later Spreading the attacks also on Germans, Italians, Albanians & other FASCIST & fascist alies.(my ancestors inclusive)

But, it was not nessesery to try to insult me, couse i thought on Vukovar - Croatia when i was talkin� about birds not singing & strange fog years after the batlle, but angry words based on i-dun-no-what can not insult me, i know very good who i am

One of my Turkish friends here in Germany have more hunderts of years Altai - Turkish family roots, from respected family of Suni(t) muslims. He told me CLEAR that Islam IS STRICT against SUICIDE & ANY KIND OF TAKING HUMAN LIFE. or you read another Koran?

sure i respect national & family values, how you come to that conclusion?

i only asked "What is heroic in killing other people?"

dont you think you can do more for your nation if you work / create in your land / FOR your land & family, if you rase up GOOD CHILDREN, who will RESPECT eachother & the rest of the world.

or it is better just to die couse someone tell you to do that?

think AGAIN...

i think if somehow some "Ghandi" (meaning massive unviolent resistance) showed up in the Turkish lands & if those 250.000 soldiers made a fest on the beach where Anzac wanted to land, noone would died & the Anzac would turned their ships back & sealed way Aussieland...

Conflict is not a Solution, remember this words & maybe one day you will remember me

But what give you right to attack someone? if you read my text good, you will see that i am "asking" the "Anzac" also WHAT THE HELL THEY WANTED THERE? how they protected their families?

& every agressor ...

How could few thousand Aussies assimilate between 20 & 25 million Turks, Kurds & rest of the Folks living there?

i see your hart is poisoned with hatered as a result from the lots of UNJUSTFULL things that are happening in the World.

But you are reacting exactly like the those who are your Real Enemies want that.

I�m not yur enemy, or i dont think some regular Greek or Kurd or Albanian or Chinese is your enemy

Call me again coward, i will brake your nose, than we will drink a DRINK (can be beer, caffee, tee, limonade, milk, something...)

But if you dont insult me, we can drink & have fun, respect & love our Nations & Religions, change experiances & knowledge WITHOUT BRAKING THE NOSE

conflict bring only conflict

has been prooven, & i am not less brave than you or i luv less my country than you, i am only not SO STUPID to make the same mistakes like our ancestors...

big difference...

& as p.s.

i respect everyone WHO ALREADY DIED to PROTECT other.

But it is so clear that NO NEED OF FUTURE KILLING

peace with you & all

Beylerbeyi,

I couldn't find any relation between what I have said and your critics to "my words".

Show me my words saying that "Ottomans were not Turks" or "they are not our ancestors". You are dreaming or you did not understand what I have said.

I said that Ottomans oppressed Turks at the border areas with Safavids. This is an undeniable historical fact. 

For me Turkish war of resistence had a predictable end. Eventough it had a major effect in emergence of modern Turkey, Greek army wouldn't have any chance against Turks. They were a peace of cake for us. Moreover Gallipoli is the "birth place" of Ataturk. Just compare the two ; 1) fighting against combined army of British, French and ANZAC armies or 2) Greek army. Beating Greeks cannot be a symbol of heroism. At the first Turkish offence Greek army has been crashed and they evacuated the Anatolia in 10 days. In Antep and Marash there were urban wars against French armies. The scale is small.

In Gallipoli, only a small part of army was not Turk. Only the 77. regiment was Arab whose task was to defend the left front of 27th regiment. Unfortunately they have retreated easily. This event had taken place at the first days of the land battles. After this it has been decided not to use Araps in Gallipoli battles. (They simply did not want to fight in a foreign country. I respect them) Just to remember 57th, 27th and 77th regiments defended against allied forces at Conkbayiri front of the peninsula but due to the 77th regiment retreat from the battlefield all the soldiers of the 57th regiment lost their lives but did not retreat. The number of Kurds in the army again was almost zero. The most effective use of Kurds in Ottoman army was Hamidiye Alaylari (regiments) which had nothing to do in Gallipoli. 

I have never told about racial purity nor ethnic superiority. You are saying that "Turkish ethnicity and culture encompasses much more than that of nomadic Turcomans."

That was what I said. But you are insisting not to understand that Turks were not composed only nomadic Turcomans. You are still fixed into the idea that Turks = nomadic Turcomans. Wrong. You ,still do not know how and under which circumstances Turks came to Anatolia. Just read a bit history.