Kurdistan

Originally posted by Maju Originally posted by ahiskali there never has been a  real "kurdistan" in history Yes, because Kurdistan is not (necesarily) a state but the land wher Kurds dwell. It's the same with all nations... and keeping another nation slave of yours is a crime against humankind.

You consider yourself as a slave too? A basque guy is a spanish slave?

Originally posted by DayI Originally posted by Maju Originally posted by ahiskali there never has been a  real "kurdistan" in history Yes, because Kurdistan is not (necesarily) a state but the land wher Kurds dwell. It's the same with all nations... and keeping another nation slave of yours is a crime against humankind. You consider yourself as a slave too? A basque guy is a spanish slave?

The Basque People is prisioner of Spain and France, no doubt.

Originally posted by ramin Torzeche kharz

What do you mean? In English, please...

They should establish a state for the Kurds.

They might as well put in the West Bank, Gaza Strip, and Jordan. It was pointless keeping half of Palestine anyways, they might as well give it all away.

It probably is, but I don't really want an independent Kosovo. As I said, mainly because it will created tensions in Bosnia and Herzegovina.

But Kosovo already exists. It already has borders. You couldn't compare that to an abstract Kurdistan sort-of bordering on three or four states.

Originally posted by Mila It probably is, but I don't really want an independent Kosovo. As I said, mainly because it will created tensions in Bosnia and Herzegovina. But Kosovo already exists. It already has borders. You couldn't compare that to an abstract Kurdistan sort-of bordering on three or four states.

Well, Palestine doesn't have clear borders either, nor does Bosnia if we consider pan-Serbian claims. But this can easily be fixed if there's good will. The problem is that there's no good will in this world.

We have a Kordestan in Iran, it is a region and now there is one in Northern Iraq.

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It's a known fact that the kurds worship Lucifer.

"...which makes their Turkish identity to be lost."

I can't "lose" something that I've never had  dude...
Rape is not love, no matter what your "ata" thought.

It was Iraq probably but not anymore (they have some self government now and they also play an important role in pan-Iraqui politics now), so now it is Turkey the country that keeps a more Kurdophobic attitude. I'm unsure about Iran but I think the situation is not as bad as in Turkey, where the whole Kurdish region is under strict military control, Turk agents have been caught placing bombs, Kurdish nationalism is systematically prosecuted, etc.

I'm not sure how realistic is to say that the last decade has represented any progress for the Kurds of Turkey. Hope it is the case but I feel that it's mostly Turk propaganda.

I just recall that they wanted to gather a pan-Turk parlament in my country a few years ago (a very symbolic act) for which the Basque Atonomous Parlament offered its building. Turkey inmediately reacted and managed to get the Spanish administraton to forbid it. I also recall the case of Lajla Zana. And I recall the fear to speak about their national issues of the Kurds of Istanbul in the early 90s.

There may be some progress but it is very recent and very limited as far as I know.