Illegal alien enforcement farce continues

Well, Chomsky is more believable, although Moore is a lot more fun.

Okay, here I go again,

Janus,

The U.S. economy is dependent on illegal low wages. If those homeless people were so hot to get jobs, they would be in the fields already. Why aren't they there? Because the vast majority of them are mentally ill, and our lack of compassion and cheapness makes it the case that they live in the streets instead of having them in homes.

And really, only a few labor sectors are affected. I don't see illegal aliens competing with programmers for jobs. Nor I see them competing with accountants, doctors, managers, etc.

The U.S. is getting a big benefit from this by mainly having cheaper food and food security.

Cryptic,

What you said doesn't match reality. The democratic process in Mexico was the result of an ongoing political pressure since at least 1968. These created constitutional changes that allowed a few federal deputies, equivalent to house representatives in the US, to join the chamber according to the percentage of votes obtained in the election.

The 1980s also saw a big split in the state party PRI, creating for the first time a meaningful leftist movement, and the raise of civil, and sometimes violent, disobedience from the center-right party.

The elections of 1988 were considered stolen. The elections of 1992 were not considered cleaned either. In fact, the elections were stained until 2000, when a left and center coalition defeating the state party.

Furthermore, most of the people participating in these movements are not those who immigrate to the U.S. Most immigrants come from rural backgrounds and most of those people do not participate actively in politics.

There was no political change created at all. If anything, Mexicans are alarmed that the number of illegal immigrants have risen since the 1980s, and this is often quoted as evidence for the failure of Vicente Fox to make any real change.

The reason why things are so bad in Mexico is because it has an oligarchy that has achieved every goal of the plutocratic Republican Party in Mexico. A few rich businessmen constantly raid the government to further enrich themselves. They also enjoy a very low tax rates.

In fact, the Bush Republicans reminded me so much of the Mexican power elite that I became politically active to prevent that from happening in the U.S.

Finally, for all those people who don't want Mexicans in this country, I will remind them that if violence breaks out in Mexico, the U.S. will then see millions crossing the borders as refugees. And judging by the last two periods of violence in Mexico, a civil war there may last at least a decade or two.

Originally posted by hugoestr Cryptic, What you said doesn't match reality. The democratic process in Mexico was the result of an ongoing political pressure since at least 1968....

Because the vast majority of them are mentally ill

Your teling me mentally ill people can't be used to work fields, how about prison convicts our prisons are overcrowded let's replace mexicans with criminals. You seem to think that I am against the concept of slavery, I think it would be a welcome alternative to our current situation.

I don't see illegal aliens competing with programmers for jobs.

It's true we outsource all of those to India.....

The U.S. is getting a big benefit from this by mainly having cheaper food and food security.

But in the long term it is the mexican people who remain in mexico who lose out. What's going to happen when the US economy tanks and we hit a huge depression?

Mexicans need to stop leeching off of the US governments ineptitude. If they honestly want to move to the country legally, then there are channels for that. Is a mexican immigrant more worthy of the US immigration quotas than a cambodian or zimbabwean or venezuelan? If your answer is no than they should wait like everyone else, each of those countries are equally poor so don't preach to me about how expensive legal immigration is. Anyway thousands of people manage to do it legally every year, so there should be no problem.

I didn't see 18th century immigrants filling papers of tribal admision when they invaded the territories of today U.S. If you are a white man in the U.S. you are not legaly there, under native american law, anyways

Why just the US, its not like Spain asked before they plundered. I bet if Brazil's Blacks were pouring into Chile, you would change your attitude quick smart.

Think,

With all due respect, I must make it clear that there is no such thing as a Mexican Mafia or Mafias. Mexico has drug trafficing gangs, and they pretty much just focus on that activity.

Also, you got your facts wrong about the availability of sudaphrine in Mexico. I went to Mexico last summer, and I couldn�t get sudafed sold to me without a prescription, even though I could barely breathe and I can get this medicine without a prescription in American pharmacies.

And you make a really good point, though: should the U.S. focus on stopping drug trafficers or honest immigrants? Given a choice, law enforcement always will go after the least dangerous people, so you will see them hunting honest immigrants while forgetting about the drug trafficers.

Also, where is your sense of personal responsibility, Think? You make it sound like all of the people in the heart of America, that pure land of goodness, are a bunch of imbecils who will take any drug offered to them. The only reason why there is drug trafficing is because there is a drug market in the U.S. And for crystal meth, it is located mainly in good conservative state in the heartland.

Finally, your last point seems to show that you have problem with them because they are Mexican. Am I mistaken?


And let me answer for Pinguin as well.

The American West was colonized by thieves. And it doesn't absolved them if the lands were stolen by other people before. Most pioneers were land thieves, stealing land that legally belongs to other Americans after the nation stole the land from Native Americans and Mexico.

Is this why you are so afraid of Mexican immigration? It reminds you of the historical sins of America?

Originally posted by Cryptic ...  Also, mass migration is not immigration.

We are talking about the 21st century here. If you want change in the past, develope a time machine. Though doing so, you and me probably wouldn't exist.

Well, saying again and again that this is the American nation doesn't erase the American nation's crimes.

Crimes we can't change, we already give tax exemptions to the Native Americans, and I believe we give them free college. These are too the Native Americans in our nations lines, it's the best we could do with our generation.

If you are related to a Pilgrim, do you have at least a drop of Native Ancestry?

I might have native blood, but not from the people in the modern United States. I might have it from anada, but it's not proven and I'm not sure it really matters if I did.

I Just wonder because the theory of genocide of Natives say , after eating the food the Native gave to the pilgrims to survive, your ancestors exterminated all the "red" people in return.

Didn't your ancestors do the same? You have European ancestry too.