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Topic: The modern Pakistani military Posted: 16-Feb-2007 at 00:06 |
Pakistan's Al-Khalid MBT is based on the Chinese Type-90 but the Al-Khalid is (supposedly) better.
It has a 125 mm smooth-bore gun, a 12.7 mm MG & another MG (coaxial).
Laser targeting & decent sensors.
Al-Khalid MBT:
Commander's station:
Edited by Hellios - 12-Mar-2007 at 10:31
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Posted: 16-Feb-2007 at 02:13 |
Neat. So Pakistan's upgrading their troops. That would just tick the Indian armies...
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Posted: 16-Feb-2007 at 07:56 |
The 125 MM gun it is supposedly able to destroy any modern tank at normal battle ranges.
BTW its only "Khalid". No "Al" anymore. Though popularly it is known as Al Khaid still.
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Posted: 16-Feb-2007 at 08:31 |
Nice low profile.
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Posted: 16-Feb-2007 at 10:03 |
whats different about that 125mm gun, than the one on the russian tanks?
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Posted: 16-Feb-2007 at 10:09 |
Calibre. Its longer IIRC. Also has a better AP ability. Which of course redices reduces its ability on HESH rounds.
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Posted: 16-Feb-2007 at 10:17 |
thanks sparten,
oh one more thing is that on the Chinese tank as well?
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Posted: 16-Feb-2007 at 13:45 |
No idea.
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Posted: 16-Feb-2007 at 14:41 |
Originally posted by Sparten
Calibre. Its longer IIRC. Also has a better AP ability. Which of course redices reduces its ability on HESH rounds. |
What does the term IIRC mean?
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But at the expense of a seperate armoured ammunition storage area and a fourth crewman. Still, it looks like a good tank
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Posted: 17-Feb-2007 at 01:13 |
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IIRC :If I Recall Correctly.
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Posted: 17-Feb-2007 at 08:40 |
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No idea. |
just looked into it, the PLA are going with a more 'advanced' design, the Type 99,
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Posted: 17-Feb-2007 at 10:36 |
Khalid has been in service for 7 years now. Tye TYpe-99 is in the devlopment stage.
Guides Cav, Probyn's Horse, 9 Horse, 18 Horse, 31 cav are just some of the ACR's which deploy the above.
I beleive we have something like 500 plus in service.
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Posted: 17-Feb-2007 at 20:51 |
how do you think, they match up with the Russian T-90?
they look quite comparable.
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Posted: 18-Feb-2007 at 19:57 |
Originally posted by pekau
Neat. So Pakistan's upgrading their troops. That would just tick the Indian armies... |
As a side note, it looks like it has reactive armour to defeat HEAT war heads.
(reference to your thread on armour and HEAT)
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Posted: 18-Feb-2007 at 23:46 |
Leonidas,
Well its hard to say. I am no expert but yes they do look pretty comparable. But I suspect the AK has an advantage due to its optics and gun.
The T-90 is afterall an upgrade of the old T-72.
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Posted: 19-Feb-2007 at 14:25 |
Why are Pakistan and other developing countries wasting their valuable assets producing their own major Weapons Systems like MBT's. There is no way they will be able to export enough to make money out of it. They would be able to purchase superior western or Russian vehicles at a much lower price.
As usual I suspect it is down to "pride". Look at us we are one of the "big boys" we can build our own tanks!. Fine except I suspect the millions of Pakistani's living in poverty without the basic needs that we in the west take for granted are not exactly smiling as they go to bed at night knowing that they can have pride in their tank production facilities.
When I was a Tank Commander the UK had a tank fleet of over 600. Now it has about 300 Challanger II vehicles. I have no doubt that the next MBT for the UK will be joint effort with probably Germany and possibly Belgian, Dutch and maybe Spanish involvement. It is simply not financially viable to produce MBT's in small numbers simply for your own armed forces.
France of course will be an exception, like Pakistan and other countries, "pride" will overcome commonsense and financial logic.
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Posted: 19-Feb-2007 at 17:05 |
Why are Pakistan and other deveoping countries wasting their valuable assets producing their own major Weapons Systems like MBT's. There is no way they will be able to export enough to make money out of it. They would be able to purchase superior western or Russian vehicles at a much lower price. |
Perhaps because purchassing superior weapons systems from other countries doesn't produce domestic benefits. Think about it, money moves through an economy in a circular fashion and so if Country A invests in it its own arms industry it can create high paying manufacturing, finance, and engineering jobs for its own populace, who will then reinvest their salary in the private sector. I would argue that its absolutely crazy for a nation like Pakistan to rely soley on foreign imported weapon systems.
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Posted: 19-Feb-2007 at 17:14 |
I would argue that Pakistan is wasting money developing an MBT that could be purchased. MBTs are primarily offensive weapons systems. Also, they can only be relied upon as an offensive weapons system if air superiority can be achieved.
Pakistan can only hope to oppose India defensively. Anti-armor weapons systems and countermeasures are its best hope in any confrontation with India, its only conceivable conventional adversary. Who else would Pakistan deploy MBTs against?
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Posted: 19-Feb-2007 at 19:01 |
Originally posted by pikeshot1600
Pakistan can only hope to oppose India defensively. Anti-armor weapons systems and countermeasures are its best hope in any confrontation with India, its only conceivable conventional adversary. |
I disagree,
The best weapon against a heavy tank is another heavy tank. And the best weapon against a heavy armoured brigade on the rampage in tank friendy terrain is another heavy armoured brigade.
Hi-Tech Anti tank missiles etc. can only stop heavy tanks if they are used with air supereority or on terrain that is not tank friendly. In many cases, Pakistan would be fighting on tank friendly terrain and with out air supereority.
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Posted: 19-Feb-2007 at 19:27 |
Originally posted by Cryptic
Originally posted by pikeshot1600
Pakistan can only hope to oppose India defensively. Anti-armor weapons systems and countermeasures are its best hope in any confrontation with India, its only conceivable conventional adversary. |
I disagree,
The best weapon against a heavy tank is another heavy tank. And the best weapon against a heavy armoured brigade on the rampage in tank friendy terrain is another heavy armoured brigade.
Hi-Tech Anti tank missiles etc. can only stop heavy tanks if they are used with air supereority or on terrain that is not tank friendly. In many cases, Pakistan would be fighting on tank friendly terrain and with out air supereority. |
In turn, I disagree. The best weapon against tanks is air superiority. Perhaps not in the 1940s, but certainly now. Modern airborne anti-tank weaponry is absolutely devastating. Without command of the air, tanks in open country are death traps.
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