Originally posted by Brasidas
Atlantis could only be in one location the East Mediteranean!
The date of 9000 years is a misinterpretation between the way the Greeks used the decimal and the way the Egyptians did. Others believe that it may also have been a difference between the Solar calender used by the Greeks and the Lunar calender used by the Egyptians. Thus placing it at around 1500 B.C and not 9000B.C.
To most experts the place that best fit the description and the technological advancements of Atlantis is THERA/Santorini. Just look at the site of Akrotiri that was covered up by the volcanic eruption which occured right aroung 1500B.C.
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Wow, Brasidas you must know the ancient Greeks so well. Decimal? I will come back at you.
First of all I am a new member and I would like to say HI to all of you guys. I see many interesting discussions and the one that I am interested is only ATLANTIS.
I was checking out the topic about Albania being the site for Atlantis (I am Albanian myself-and never heard more ridicules claim). I see that many of you guys claim to know more than others and in reality you all know nothing about this topic.
Sorry to be harsh on you. I see the Albanians claiming that Plato said this and that and then the Greeks telling them to read Plato first and e.t.c In reality none has read Plato for real.
Guys, Plato should be read in ancient Greek!!!Period. and I see that none does. I guarantee you. There are few of you that use automatic translators but that doesnt work.
Let me go back to Brasides. My friend, Plato doesnt use any decimal numeric, rather words. ENAKIS-HILIA WHICH MEANS NINE-THOUSAND (εηάκιςχίλιά). ENAKIS which in Modern Greek translates into enea = nine.
To the Albanian guys; you havent read Plato not even in English. Forget about Atlantis being in Albania. And to one of you guys I have prove it. I wish it was there, but it isnt and thats a fact!
Nevertheless, the name dyrahious comes from Latin, who got it from the Greeks and it means Dy-rahia. Dio rahia=two hills. Its Greek, wanted or not. Never the less; to the Greek guys, the modern southern Albania was colony for while of Corinthians and it was during this time, only, that the Greek names appeared in southern Albania. One more thing; both languages are sister languages; they both come from Indo-European mother. Greek language evolved but the Illyrian didnt change that much. Thats the reason you can understand most of Ancient Greek words in Albanian.
Anyway, back to my only interesting topic; ATLANTIS.
Παντων δη πρώτον μνήσθώμέν οτί το κέΦάλάιον ίη εηάκιςχίλιά ετη, άφ ού γεγονως εμηνύθη πολεμος τοις
Prota apo ola na thimithume oti perasan sinolika enea hiladhes hronja apo tote pu ejine o polemos anamesa
Firstofall to remind (remember) that passed complete 9,000 years, since it happened the war between
It has an accent ok?
As you can see mr. Brasidas your comments are taken seriously only by mr. pa-katuridis (just kidding!)
Lets read Plato in here and translate him. Lets se how much you Greeks of this forum know. As my grandpa would say (I had a Greek grand-pa. Mother side) who said: idu I rodos idu qe to pidima
τοτε γαρ πορευσιμον ην το εκει πελαγος,
At that time because present in that sea.
νησον γαρ προ του στοματος ειχεν ο καλειτε,
island because before mouth as it was called
ως φατε, υμεις Ηρακλεους στηλας,
During dinner (eating), you (Greeks) Pillars of Hercules.
Ok, as you can see the Island it was before not behind. PRO TU Stomatos.. so before you reach a certain place (this mouth). Lets say that the pillars are in Gibraltar. Then Atlantis has to be inside the Mediterranean Sea. NEVER outside!!! Forget about Atlantic Ocean and South America. Ridiculous claims. Protu to stomatos not after..hello.
The west border is established. Lets check out north side:
η δε νησος αμα Λιβυης ην και Ασιας μειζων,
One island as Libya and Asia together (sometimes is translated as in the middle, but not in this case)
εξ ης επιβατον επι τας αλλας νησους τοις τοτε εγιγνετο πορευομενοις,
From here travel to the other island that at that time were visible (existed..e.t.c)
εκ δε των νησων επι την καταντικρυ πασαν ηπειρον την περι τον αληθινον εκεινον ποντον.
And from this island towards opposite all continent to that real sea. (I strongly believe that ponton means coast..Anyway not important)
So my fellow Albanians as you see he is talking about two seas Atlantis is in this smaller sea and from this smaller sea you get to this big endless sea, which is the modern Atlantic Ocean. But pay attention that Atlantis is in this smaller sea. So here we have another boundary. North we cant go further than Venice. Albania not Atlantis.
Lets continue more:
ταδε μεν γαρ,
(paraphrased--for what we talking)
οσα εντος του στοματος ου λεγομεν,
all inside the mouth the mentioned (paraphrasedall inside the mentioned mouth)
φαινεται λιμην στενον τινα εχων εισπλουν,
Visible port narrow just have pass/sail (paraphrasedits visible a harbor just so you can sail, pass)
εκεινο δε πελαγος οντως η τε περιεχουσα αυτο γη παντελως αληθως ορθοτατ αν λεγοιτο ηπειρος
That other sea for certain or the containing that endless land real straight can be called continent.
Paraphrased-- but that other is a real sea and the surrounding land may be most truly called a boundless continent (Jowett).
So as you can see, once more the Island of Atlantis is located before you reach this mouth. One more indication that its in Mediterranean Sea.
Lets go for east side boundary now. Some of you say that Crete or Santorini is Atlantis. Ok lets check it out.
Εξώθεν ορμηθεισαν εκ του Aτλαντικου πελαγος
(From) outside jumped (prepared and jumped) from the Atlantic Sea. (Not Ocean-Plato never said Ocean!!!) What he means here is the Army of Atlantis came from the direction of Atlantis Sea. So from out side the Greek and Egypt area. Santorini is in between Athens and Egypthelloooo people think about it. So east cant go further than Sicily, not, never near GreeceNow, on the south side Plato says that it took over Libya which means was above Libya. And do not forget, it was an island that disappeared under water, submerged. Santorini exists, Cyprus existswhatever.
If you carefully read my comments you will come to the conclusion that Atlantis it was located ONLY, from Gibraltar to Sicily including MALTA. And ONLY inside the med sea. I am not going to comment anymore in that matter, you draw your own conclusions.
And one more thing, shame to anyone who doubts PLATOs comments. How can you think that he will make things up? He is a philosopher (definition; love for wisdom/Love for truth), the greatest student of Socrates. How can he include Socrates if it was the figment of his imagination? Its the time of observation not renesaince.
Peace out brothers.
P.S. I dont want any questions or comments on my origin. Dont care at all and I think is irrelevant to the topic.