national heroes treated TOO justly!

Hmmm...some several posts here have convinced me that Lincoln is not as bad as I thought he was   Keep up!

well you have opinions on things outside of your country to dont you?  Hypocrite.  I actually idealize Ataturk myself because hes a secularist, but he is practically worshipped, its a personality cult worthy of Ramses II, though it wont hold up as well.  You can see it right now in how easily you are offended.

As for other things

Temujin: The south was already moving to secede and was begining the process during the Buchanan presidency, before Lincoln took office.

Demon: JFK did not send Apollo to the moon, he merely stated rather abstractly that the US should send soemthing to the moon, it was in Nixons presidency that a moon landing was first effected. 

I do have to agree JFK is one of the most overated presidents of ALL TIME, lets see almost blew up the world, didnt do anything for civil rights YET somehow gets credit for doing something, set us ont eh course to Vietnam expansion under Johnson, could say he was a berliner in german...thats abvout it, in my opinion JFK isnt just overrated, hes BAD.

And no Benjamin Franklin was not a British spy, his son was, and even then not really a spy, more like the actual governor of New Jersry.

who did he murder?

Surely an exaggeration? The first British assault on New Orleans was driven off, but before there was time for another everybody discovered the war was already over.

The battle was essentially meaningless.

Moreover the British weren't trying to reconquer the US in the war of 1812. If the battle had been won by the British it wouldn't have made much difference to anything. With the end of the Napoleonic wars the whole conflict lost any siginificance.

Against whom? The war with Finland started on November 30 1939. The treaties imposed on the Baltic states weren't declarations of war, and anyway happened after the invasion of Poland by Germany. 

It's tricky, because what counts as a 'declaration or war'? The Chinese and Japanese had been fighting for four years before a formal declaration of war in 1941 after Pearl Harbour. Did Hitler declare war on Poland?

You may be right, but I'd like to hear the argument.

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hmmm, because I defended Sweden in an unrelated thread I am now Swedish, though since Im not really I guess I dont have to live with that shame now do I?  Even if I did beleive in collective guilt, which I do not, nothing on the European continent could be attributed to me in "shame factor"

As for Napoleon:  It mattered not what he was trying to do, he failed, and in his failure he took million sof common soldiers from all over into the grave with him, they died for nothing but his mad ambition that failed in the end.