Turkey,are Turkey can consider a Balkan

Antioxos, is that an official text book or what?

 i dont speak greek so i cant tell what it says.

Edited by Leonidas - 28-Feb-2007 at 06:48

Originally posted by Jagiello the otoman empire did so much bad things to the balcan countries,that i don't thing any balcan country would realy axept them as balcans.

Oh, la la...Very bad things including helping their culture, religion and language to survive within their 500 years of control.

Hah, if the Ottomans didn't enter the Balkans it would be a Catholic outpost, the Pope would have owned all the land and the Ventians intellectually, pollitically and economically own the Balkans.

Originally posted by Bulldog Hah, if the Ottomans didn't enter the Balkans it would be a Catholic outpost, the Pope would have owned all the land and the Ventians intellectually, pollitically and economically own the Balkans.

Wrong i m coming from Naxos islands and i m still Helen and i m still an orthodox christian.
Naxos history
From 1207-1566 Venecian rule
         1566-1684 Ottoman rule (Selim II gave it Don Joseph Nasi )
         1685-1699 Venecian rule
         1770-1771 Ottoman rule
         1772-1774 Rusian rule
         1774-1821 Ottoman rule
In reality during the Ottoman rule nothing change in the island that means that the venecian  keep their privilege position (they own almost all the land of the island) they didn't pay tax to the sultan because they  continued to  rule the island and they arrange to pay  taxes the rest of the people (orthodox,Armenians,Jews).

Venetians were  interest  to make money from their conquests (the Ottomans had the same goal)
In Naxos today  there is  a community of Roman Catholic descendants of the Venetians.
As you notice ,i usually  support my opinion with arguments.

Here is the old Venetian castle in the port of Naxos

http://img444.imageshack.us/img444/9166/img2924gq2.jpg

Catholics treated Greeks worse than Ottomans but they don't get half as much stick, man they put a prostitute in the Hagia Sophia and looted it.

Originally posted by Bulldog Catholics treated Greeks worse than Ottomans but they don't get half as much stick, man they put a prostitute in the Hagia Sophia and looted it.

Whats the problem now ,who treated less worse the Greeks.I don't think they were interest about it .Latin and Ottomans interest is to collect taxes with the less expenses.
Thats why they wanted their subjects alive , to pay taxes .If the subjects change doctrine or religion they would stop to pay taxes.
The things are very simple if they really wanted to change the religion of them they could do  it but after who is gonna pay taxes.
About the looting , i know that Venice has many of the treasuries of Constantinople  and i m planning in the future to visit  Venice for this reason.


Edited by Antioxos - 28-Feb-2007 at 17:51

Originally posted by Mordoth Likewise , a newspaper published in Western Thrace threathened Turkiye . They 've written ; " Greeks tanks shall march through the streets of Istanbul ( constantinople in greek ) " ; " Turks out of Cyprus " , " We 'll re-gain our lands back from Barbaric Mongol-Turks " ...etc , Turkiye was shown as a province of Greece .   There could be such extremist views , however it is something to think about such circumstances .

Originally posted by Leonidas Originally posted by Antioxos Originally posted by Leonidas Antioxos, is that an official text book or what?  i dont speak greek so i cant tell what it says.   Yes it is the official history book that it is teached in the 6th class of the primary school . http://www.antibaro.gr/society/istoria_math_1_23.pdf   http://www.antibaro.gr/society/istoria_math_24_53.pdf   http://www.antibaro.gr/society/istoria_math_54_73.pdf   http://www.antibaro.gr/society/istoria_math_74_93.pdf   http://www.antibaro.gr/society/istoria_math_94_113.pdf   http://www.antibaro.gr/society/istoria_math_114_138.pdf where in the book is the offense?

If you are looking for offensive comments against Turks, I'd say it's pretty difficult to find any. On the contrary, the writers try to be nice to Turkey/Turks, in the name of the Greek-Turkish friendship I guess.
(I say this after having read a good part of the book)

By the way, geographically Turks call themselves "Anatolians". Not "Balkanians". Turks see "Balkanians" as a different league.

I noticed that the Albanian view of History is quite traumatic. Turks are to blame for Albanian economical and social backwardness. Also their national figure, Skenderbeg is believed to be the defender of Europe from the Turks.