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    Posted: 03-Mar-2007 at 10:09
Originally posted by Zagros

Why bother with silly animal names? You can always look at the Karnamak e Ardashir e papakan for 1700 year old evidence of a historical Kurdistan. There is description there of how Ardashir defeated the "king of the Kurds" in today's northern Iraq.
 
Im not bothering just that he never explained what vulpa vulpa kurdistanica was.
 
Ardashir may have defeated the "king of the Kurds" but thats  North Iraq.  Vulpa V. Kurdistanica is in Anatolia. 
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Why bother with silly animal names? You can always look at the Karnamak e Ardashir e papakan for 1700 year old evidence of a historical Kurdistan. There is description there of how Ardashir defeated the "king of the Kurds" in today's northern Iraq.
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Originally posted by mamikon

Well, scientists seem to think so...see "Vulpes Vulpes Kurdistanica"
 
Isnt that the name of a fox?  I dont know how it proves the historical existence of a place called Kurdistan.
 
Anyhow if i discovered a new species tomorrow i can call it what i want.  So the naming was down to the person who discovered it not the scientific community, and because it was politically motivated was why Turkey doesnt recognise it as Vulpes Vulpes Kurdistanica.
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He dreams an independent Kurdistan, he says "40 million Kurds will have their own state".40 millions of course includes Turkey Kurds.

He is at the opposite side of Turkish view.
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^ thats a peice of hopeful news. It is a more effective way of dealing with any differences. Talk it out (with no preconditions) and kill off any mis-understandings.
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Iraqi Kurdish leader ready for dialogue with Turkey
 
 

ANKARA (AFP) - The president of Iraqi Kurdistan called on Turkey for face-to-face talks to end high-running tensions over Turkish Kurd rebels based in his autonomous region in northern Iraq, in a television interview broadcast on Monday. 

His appeal coincides with remarks by Turkish officials that they are ready to meet Iraqi Kurdish leaders to discuss the problem, contrary to earlier threats by Ankara of a cross-border military operation to crack down on the rebels.



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yeah, but thats only in Turkey. Everywhere else the full name is used.
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"Vulpes Vulpes Kurdistanica"...
 
Didn't the Turkish regime change the name to just Vulpes Vulpes?
They don't speak enough about the Kurds, because we have never taken hostages, never hijacked a plane. But I am proud of this.
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Kurds have existed in history, for a very long time, the arguments about this have been clearly laid in other threads.

while allot of countries in that region didn't exist by their name/borders for longer than 100 years ago, so this line of debate is a non point in terms of rights.

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Well, scientists seem to think so...see "Vulpes Vulpes Kurdistanica"

Also, there never was a country called "Azerbaijan" until 1918...would you in 1918, have claimed that Azeries dont have a history?
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Originally posted by Spartakus

Originally posted by Batu

there are Turkish soldiers in Turkish lands.where is Kurdistan?what is Kurdistan.


Ehm...we are in a history forum.Wink
then show me in the history if there existed such a country like "kurdistan", lets begin.
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let them found their own country.But not in my homeland; maybe in Australia.the Australians must share their continent with an other nation.
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Originally posted by Batu

there are Turkish soldiers in Turkish lands.where is Kurdistan?what is Kurdistan.


Ehm...we are in a history forum.Wink
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"there are Turkish soldiers in Turkish lands.where is Kurdistan?what is Kurdistan.it is Turkey's right to destroy separtists,terrorists,killers isnt it?"
 
This is the attitude that divides Kurds and Turks....
They don't speak enough about the Kurds, because we have never taken hostages, never hijacked a plane. But I am proud of this.
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Turkey is on the right way (hopefully), and they will (hopefully), let minorities learn their own language and express their own culture.
 
That is the best way to get rid off separatism.
 
 
They don't speak enough about the Kurds, because we have never taken hostages, never hijacked a plane. But I am proud of this.
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There is a huge Kurdish question in Turkey and Turkey has offically accepted that.
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there are Turkish soldiers in Turkish lands.where is Kurdistan?what is Kurdistan.it is Turkey's right to destroy separtists,terrorists,killers isnt it?
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Bulldog, so you're honestly believing that there are 3 million Turkmen in Iraq? You're ignorant if so.
 
I don't believe anything as there has been no clear cencus for a long time in the region. They could be 3 million they could be 2 or 1 but what is clear is that they have a presence. Numbers are always flying around, some claim that there is 20 million Kurds in the South East and East which is actually impossible as the total population including both regions is little over 12 million. Even if every single person was a Kurd in the region which we know isn't the case it still wouldn't add up.
 
 
"Don't you realise, you sound exactly like a Turk speaking about Turkey."
 
Do Kurds learn Kurdish in schools? Because Assyrians do learn Assyrian in KRG.
 
As far as I know you can learn Kurdish in Turkey but I think it should be introduced as a language in schools. School's should teach or at least give the option to learn Kurdish also Arabic and Assyrian, all languages spoke in Turkey. It would be far more beneficial than teaching French or German.
 
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Please, do not speak about stuff you don't even know of. Those reports are of Christian fundamentalists in the diaspora, they hate Kurdistan and they're jealous of that we are getting our own nation. If you go to KRG you'll see how grateful they are.
 
Well I'm just telling you what some Assyriam groups are reporting, you could be correct so could they, the point is your attitude is not that different to certain Turks you say that you dislike or disagree with.
 
 
 
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Yes, that is the way forward, if Kurds feel respected by Turks as equals then they have no reason to hate, rebel and have wars, it is not in their interest.

Another reason why I dislike PKK is that they threaten any Kurds who co-operate on development with Turkish Government.
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Feanor said something very good a while ago in another thread concerning the Kurdish question:
 
"What should be do? We should develop that region both economically and socially. Poverty, unemployment, illiteracy must be just history.

Then we should grant Kurds the rights to preserve their language and culture. The very same thing is valid for other minorities too."
 
 
They don't speak enough about the Kurds, because we have never taken hostages, never hijacked a plane. But I am proud of this.
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